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I don't think we'd see a new codex, one month after Necrons. And I doubt we'll see new models, with no new Codex.

I expect Sisters are pretty low on the list right now. I woulden't expect them until 2013, at the earliest.

As of Right now, we're expecting Black Templars > Tau > 6th > Chaos Legions > and SOB will likely come sometime after Eldar and Dark Angels, and most likely a new Vanila Space marine codex. Really, I woulden't expect it till 2014.

Your use of logic and 'fact' is very disconcerting. As is your use of extra 'e's within words. GW PLANT!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I changed the title to be a bit clearer.

Thanks, the "from from" makes it much clearer now

Kroothawk wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I changed the title to be a bit clearer.

Thanks, the "from from" makes it much clearer now

D'oh!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:The guy outside the FLGS said aliens and the CIA were sending signals to his brain that Mat Ward is our rightful king.

Who is this Matt Ward?

CT GAMER wrote:Who is this Matt Ward?

The guy reading He-Man comics in the corner

warpcrafter wrote:

pretre wrote:SOB Christmas this year?

That's exceedingly unlikely and would show a level of secrecy previously unseen.

And I don't see much chance of the sales being anything but underwhelming, since that WD codex is almost universally hated. However, if 6th edition were to come out in February, that would be super.

It's universally hated by bad players.

People that are pretty good at 40K are ok with the WD Codex.

I for one hope the SoB rumor is true. I don't understand the babble about the codex being bad, not like I thought initally upon release, but honestly the army plays amazing on the table top. If you're having a problem with your Sisters with the new WD codex, then you're playing them wrong. Celestine is an amazing HQ, Dominions are amazing units, standard sisters can equip heavy flamer, melta, combi melta in a rhino for only 200 points. If played well, Rhinos aren't easily killed and can be deceptive to your opponent, in face Sisters should be very deceptive in itself, because they're rarely played.

People don't realize how much 3 exorcists really hurt, and how well Celestine can contest an objective.

Worglock wrote:
It's universally hated by bad players.

People that are pretty good at 40K are ok with the WD Codex.

That's verging on inflamintory, but it can be universally hated by bad players, and also hated by good players, thanks to your wording. I would argue that people who are "pretty good" at 40k, are quite a widespread group, and if you've got BA or GK running around, sisters are now weaker.

I personally don't like the Dex due to neutering of options, conversion choices, 12 inch unload immolators, being forced to take only one viable HQ option of Jacobus and his bomb.

I don't like that any canoness config is a waste of points, that the shooty option has no ablative wounds, that seraphim can't auto hit n run and have initiative 3, that the doms and seraphim should have swapped faith options, that only the troops have leadership abilities now, that we have no anti-psyker, that there are inconsistencies between the two halves of the dex, that the new faith powers are bland, that there is no scaling on faith points: 1d6 for 500 points, 1d6 for 3000 points. I don't like that the granduer has been taken away from previous fluff. I don't like 20 point heavy flamers. I can't comprehend only using acts of faith in our own turn, when repentia will always get charged first. The new acts are trash. chance of 3++ > 6+ perma.

I do like doms with scout, and I do like that we have got double tap back in a boosted way on seraphim.

All in all, it's a bad dex, the older dex out performs it against the meta in 4 stores in London, and that's all I can personally account to. I have heard the same from others.

Spiku wrote:

Worglock wrote:
It's universally hated by bad players.

People that are pretty good at 40K are ok with the WD Codex.

That's verging on inflamintory, but it can be universally hated by bad players, and also hated by good players, thanks to your wording. I would argue that people who are "pretty good" at 40k, are quite a widespread group, and if you've got BA or GK running around, sisters are now weaker.

I personally don't like the Dex due to neutering of options, conversion choices, 12 inch unload immolators, being forced to take only one viable HQ option of Jacobus and his bomb.

I don't like that any canoness config is a waste of points, that the shooty option has no ablative wounds, that seraphim can't auto hit n run and have initiative 3, that the doms and seraphim should have swapped faith options, that only the troops have leadership abilities now, that we have no anti-psyker, that there are inconsistencies between the two halves of the dex, that the new faith powers are bland, that there is no scaling on faith points: 1d6 for 500 points, 1d6 for 3000 points. I don't like that the granduer has been taken away from previous fluff. I don't like 20 point heavy flamers. I can't comprehend only using acts of faith in our own turn, when repentia will always get charged first. The new acts are trash. chance of 3++ > 6+ perma.

I do like doms with scout, and I do like that we have got double tap back in a boosted way on seraphim.

All in all, it's a bad dex, the older dex out performs it against the meta in 4 stores in London, and that's all I can personally account to. I have heard the same from others.

I can win regularly with the WD dex... have no problems winning with it, but it is lacking flavor, imo...

When I play Grey Knights, I feel like they are 'elite'... with plenty of options that attest to it...
When I play my Old Necrons with the new dex, I feel like they are this unstoppable force, hellbent on destruction...
When I play marines, they feel like marines, when I play my Daemones, they feel like this force of chaos running amok...

When i play my Sisters of Battle with this dex, I feel like I'm playing Imp guard in power armor... with crappy tank armor.

Mainly because my options for anything competitive have been limited to 'box wars'.

Spiku wrote:

Worglock wrote:
It's universally hated by bad players.

People that are pretty good at 40K are ok with the WD Codex.

That's verging on inflamintory, but it can be universally hated by bad players, and also hated by good players, thanks to your wording. I would argue that people who are "pretty good" at 40k, are quite a widespread group, and if you've got BA or GK running around, sisters are now weaker.

Although I might have cheered at Worglock's sentiment, it was pretty crass.

I personally don't like the Dex due to neutering of options, conversion choices, 12 inch unload immolators, being forced to take only one viable HQ option of Jacobus and his bomb.

There are three viable choices, Uriah and Bomb for counter-charge, Celestine for WTF just happened to me antics and Kyrinov for backline holding fun.

I don't like that any canoness config is a waste of points,

Agreed.

that the shooty option has no ablative wounds,

Whatchu talkin' bout?

that seraphim can't auto hit n run and have initiative 3,

Meh.

that the doms and seraphim should have swapped faith options,

No. Just no. TL on Doms is perfect.

that only the troops have leadership abilities now,

Meh.

that we have no anti-psyker,

This is annoying. My buddy plays two lash chaos.

that there are inconsistencies between the two halves of the dex,

This is always true. There are inconsistencies between pages of normal dexes, so no surprise here.

that the new faith powers are bland, that there is no scaling on faith points: 1d6 for 500 points, 1d6 for 3000 points. I don't like that the granduer has been taken away from previous fluff.

I haven't had a problem with scaling. Do you really need more than the 1d6? I actually like the new faith system.

I don't like 20 point heavy flamers.

I agree, but I understand why. They're just good. Personally, I think they should be 10, but I'm okay with 20.

I can't comprehend only using acts of faith in our own turn, when repentia will always get charged first. The new acts are trash. chance of 3++ > 6+ perma.

I agree that we should be able to carry over through the game turn not player turn. You shouldn't let your repentia get charged; get them a ride. The new acts aren't trash, they are just different.

I do like doms with scout, and I do like that we have got double tap back in a boosted way on seraphim.

Agreed. Too bad Doms are SOOO good.

All in all, it's a bad dex, the older dex out performs it against the meta in 4 stores in London, and that's all I can personally account to. I have heard the same from others.

Meh, I disagree. I think it is a good dex. I'm taking it to a 4 rd tournament on Saturday, so we'll see how it goes.

I like not having to take guard or inquisitors anymore. I like having vehicles that work like everyone elses. I like simplicity. I like scout moves. I love the new celestine and having a legitimate CC option.

Sisters have always been the red-headed stepchild of 40k. If you're not used to playing an underpowered or undersupported list when using sisters, you obviously haven't been playing them long enough.


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Oh goddammit...

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/11/sisters-of-battle-to-receive-some.html

Now people are reposting this horrible rumor. lol

I wonder if I start a N&R thread saying that GW is taking legal action against natfka.blogspot.com, if he'll repost it.

I am skeptical of this news and or rumor!

Worglock wrote:
It's universally hated by bad players.

People that are pretty good at 40K are ok with the WD Codex.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I was pretty sure I made representations to you suggesting that tiered quotations are never well received by me ;3

My actual point was that you take Uriah in any build, as there is no reason not to, and you only build him the one way; if you are at a low point game, you take him, you won't take anyone else. you dont always take two HQs. In other threads I have already discussed my distaste for K-man; given that to use the leadership bubble you need to hope you have terrain that supports stacking with the ability to keep people within his bubble (one of our favourite examples is having a line of sisters 2 inch apart with 2 girls closer who touch K. It is not a suitable choice, he should be bombing or nothing. Celestine you know I love, but I've loved her since 4th, where she was my liability, but my 15-16 fps at 2k

The shooty option was in relation to the canoness. I have made the point that giving her heavy weapons squads in the thread you and I were both prolifiant in was futile, given the lack of ablative models to take shots. Much like rets used to be taken in groups of 10 instead of 5. Further, re-roll wounds is more valuable on doms, because they can take an MM immo to pop takes and unload re-rolled wound flamers, which seraphim dont have the option of; and with seraphim you may well have considered the charge option, were it not for init 3 now being the norm. Doms don't need twin linked meltas; they have more ablative models, where each single melta seraphim would be two meltas lost in death. By having TL on doms, you remove any strong argument for having seraphim. This is not good game building. You yourself point out that doms are too good.

In relation to two-lash list. I miss when that was flavour of the month. Sure most people I knew dropped chaos after a while because of being forced into lash list, but the guys who took it complained WH were imbalanced because I was the only person they lost to. Actually complaining it's imbalanced that -one- player could beat them. Not nice people. Regardless, everyone in boxes, 3++ invuln ignoring plasma cannon bursts, 5+ save. Good times.

Yes, I have had problems with 1d6 per turn; though less so because of how poor faith is on the universal scale of my army. We have discussed this previously. Especially when instead of a measurable resource I now have a fluctuating one; I shan't discuss it, it's still in the post that is fairly active that we both talked on this matter. Equally, 20 point HF means we have no reason to take them at all. Equally, we have discussed repentia, as have others in that thread; they are poorly thought out, but then they always have been. Losing 3++ in either turn, divine guidance across the board, and leadership options, across the board, is flatly weaker than that which we had;

You are entitled to think it is a good dex. I consider it a bad for reasons outlined above, and for just comparing it to any dex available. You well know that I never took guard or inquisitors, apart from a DH inquisitor for psycannons in certain situations.

I would also point out that I had consistent success with my 4th edition sisters, and that I have provided advice to you, which you have used, on the current edition sisters. Whilst under-represented, given their hard counter to Chaos during its heyday, I have never felt them to be offensively bad. But then that largely came from being able to judge LoS, use of area terrain, abuse if IC targetting rules, and seraphim consolidating with enough faith to keep them invuln~

Spiku wrote:I would also point out that I had consistent success with my 4th edition sisters, and that I have provided advice to you, which you have used, on the current edition sisters. Whilst under-represented, given their hard counter to Chaos during its heyday, I have never felt them to be offensively bad. But then that largely came from being able to judge LoS, use of area terrain, abuse if IC targetting rules, and seraphim consolidating with enough faith to keep them invuln~

/shrug

I had success with my 3rd edition, 3rd edition C:Chapter Approved and C:WH sisters as well (not 4th edition though, cause I skipped it) doesn't mean they were good or bad lists, just means that I was successful. I argue that sisters have never been an overly good list. They have always had a good build or two that works, but have never been a great codex.

With your argument I would point out that they are still not overly good currently, and not a great codex.

By which I would also concede that they have never had very good dexes, apart from 2nd edition, which was balls to the walls ;3 I still prefer 4th edition in the current climate, and they still perform demonstrably better vs GK/BA (especially with current charge rules and 3++ invuns). I accept that given the wording of the act, 3++ is sometimes dangerous vs GKs =D

Immolator spam in 5th and seraphim/mech in 4th was always strong vs tourney favourites though, and kept them competative. It was only the "local scenes" that had consistently bad things to say about sisters.

Spiku wrote:With your argument I would point out that they are still not overly good currently, and not a great codex.

Exactly. They have never been and probably never will be overly good.

By which I would also concede that they have never had very good dexes, apart from 2nd edition, which was balls to the walls ;3

For 2 months until 3rd came out

Immolator spam in 5th and seraphim/mech in 4th was always strong vs tourney favourites though, and kept them competative. It was only the "local scenes" that had consistently bad things to say about sisters.

Impossible to know yet since we haven't had a lot of tournaments to know how they are doing with the new book.

I was talking about their previous renditions: immolator spam in early 5th edition, and seraphim+mech in 4th edition were always strong vs the trouney favourites, and kept them competative. It was the "local scene" view that represented sisters as being weak/bottom tier.

I was not referring to current tourney scene.

and 2 months is still 2 months of them being balls to the walls ;3

Spiku wrote:I was talking about their previous renditions: immolator spam in early 5th edition, and seraphim+mech in 4th edition were always strong vs the trouney favourites, and kept them competative. It was the "local scene" view that represented sisters as being weak/bottom tier.

Meh, anecdotal. How many big tournaments did immo spam or seraphim and mech win?

Only 1 (possibly 2, though I recall they were knocked to 2nd place by ork cult of speed in the early days) official GW one in which they have won; several in which they maintained top 5.

I shant count non GW conventions where immo spam won, because they weren't GW conventions.

Out of curiosity, how many tournaments have you attended?

For 2 months until 3rd came out

Uhh....2nd edition Sisters were released circa Aug/September 97. 3rd edition rules-set was released fall of 98, so it wasn't 2 months for the Sisters....it was quite longer than that.

ThirdUltra wrote:

For 2 months until 3rd came out

Uhh....2nd edition Sisters were released circa Aug/September 97. 3rd edition rules-set was released fall of 98, so it wasn't 2 months for the Sisters....it was quite longer than that.

Thanks, buzzkill. It was a turn of phrase. Like 'Man it's been forever since someone completely missed a joke in this thread.' 'Or how many years until someone ruins all our fun again?' Not meant to be literal.

Yeah it was pretty clear he didn't literally mean 2 months, it's like when we say we have to wait 10 years for the codex after WD codex because of blood angels ;D

anyway, leaving work now, have fun. To stay on topic: screw the rumours

Thanks, buzzkill. It was a turn of phrase. Like 'Man it's been forever since someone completely missed a joke in this thread.' 'Or how many years until someone ruins all our fun again?' Not meant to be literal.

Didn't realize where talking about literal things like the Sisters 'dex was not really literal....must've been an inside joke or something, but please, don't let that stop you from getting your butt on your shoulders about a simple misunderstanding.

Stay classy by all means....

ThirdUltra wrote:Didn't realize where talking about literal things like the Sisters 'dex was not really literal....must've been an inside joke or something, but please, don't let that stop you from getting your butt on your shoulders about a simple misunderstanding.

Stay classy by all means....

Aww, it's okay pookie. You'll get used to the internets.

pretre wrote:

ThirdUltra wrote:Didn't realize where talking about literal things like the Sisters 'dex was not really literal....must've been an inside joke or something, but please, don't let that stop you from getting your butt on your shoulders about a simple misunderstanding.

Stay classy by all means....

Aww, it's okay pookie. You'll get used to the internets.

LOL! well, well, well......here we have someone with a severe case of ITG syndrome.

I'll give you a 2/10 for trying!

ThirdUltra wrote:LOL! well, well, well......here we have someone with a severe case of ITG syndrome.

I'll give you a 2/10 for trying!

/bow