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Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!

~ Commonly held Ork view of warfare (Codex:Orks 4th Edition p. 49)

Says it all really.

I can imagine Orks surrendering to other Orks, and only because it would mean the chance to fight under a better Warboss.

The concept of willful surrender to other races simply isn't part of their psychology.

Possibly even the universe, it's mentioned in one of the codices I think. A probe was sent out there thousands of years back, and it still gives off a faint signal after all that time, the feedback they're getting all seems to be "of Orkish nature".

Pretty sure that piece of fluff related to a sub light probe within our own Galazy.
Moving at such slow speed it could easily still be within the confines of the Milky Way.
Extremely improbable its made any real headway into the Universe and even less likely Orks are widespread out there.

Surrender to anything in the 40k universe is pretty much a no go for anyone. It willl only equal death or tortue. better to die fighting.


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TutorialBoss wrote:I can imagine Orks surrendering to other Orks, and only because it would mean the chance to fight under a better Warboss.

This pretty much. Orks surrender all the time . . . but only to other orks. If the nob leading your mob got krumped by a bigger nob, most orks would switch over in a heartbeat. Because its wired into them to follow the strongest ork around.

Other races, not at all.

rabidaskal wrote:

TutorialBoss wrote:I can imagine Orks surrendering to other Orks, and only because it would mean the chance to fight under a better Warboss.

This pretty much. Orks surrender all the time . . . but only to other orks. If the nob leading your mob got krumped by a bigger nob, most orks would switch over in a heartbeat. Because its wired into them to follow the strongest ork around.

I'll agree with this - if the toughest of your warband gets krumped by the other warband's warboss then it would make sense to join that guy instead. And isn't this how orks decide on who gets to be the biggest boss anyways?

Surrender is not in a orks vocab.

TutorialBoss wrote:I can imagine Orks surrendering to other Orks, and only because it would mean the chance to fight under a better Warboss.

But they wouldn't call it surrendering.

Stop lyin ya stinkin umie! Orkz neva surrenda!
But in all seriousness i don't think they do as theey either run or fight or get shot

TutorialBoss wrote:I can imagine Orks surrendering to other Orks, and only because it would mean the chance to fight under a better Warboss.

The concept of willful surrender to other races simply isn't part of their psychology.

Completely agree. In a barroom or on the battlefield, it's all a place to bully and play. I could see a mini-boss merely stop fighting, acknowledging the superiority of his opponent, a form of submission, so long as the better is green.

Now, surrendering to the Orks won't be so bad, by comparison of every other chaivanist in 40K, except the liberal-hearted Tau.

thunderingjove wrote:
Now, surrendering to the Orks won't be so bad, by comparison of every other chaivanist in 40K, except the liberal-hearted Tau.

Yeah, at least there's a chance that the Orkz will let you live as a slave on the assembly line. And as hellish as it may be, it's far better than the alternatives that most other factions would offer.

No, they usually runaway if the battle is going south.

As some others have said, Orks are perfectly happy to surrender to other Orks, once they've put up a good enough fight to satisfy their pride. If their boss krumped your boss, well, that means he's the boss now!

Against humans or any other alien species, surrender doesn't happen. You can only surrender to a proppa warrior!

Have to agree with most of the posters here. Orks will only surrender or retreat if it means a bigger, better war later on.

The reason is... because of the Nightbringer, strangely enough. (If that is stll canon.) The Nightbringer instilled every sentient being with the fear of death, to feed his grim reaper persona. But he missed the orks.

This is why the most basic drive of every intelligent race is survival. Situations where other races fight to the death happen because something else overrides that drive. It may be loyalty for a human, or pride for an eldar, or whatever. But the fear is still there, just suppressed.

Orks don't have that fear. Their most basic drive is conflict. They certainly don't want to die, as this would mean no more fighting. But they won't run and hide and bargain to avoid death, like other races. This is also one reason why it is difficult for chaos to corrupt orks. You can't frighten them into submission, and you can't offer them anything they don't already have.

Orks surrender to other Orks all the time. They don't really think of it that way though; they just think that Boss krumped their boss, so he's the boss now.

In the game "space marine" there is a level where you are in a lab with a lot of captured orks? How did they get there if they never surrender?

jelisi wrote:In the game "space marine" there is a level where you are in a lab with a lot of captured orks? How did they get there if they never surrender?

They had their trukk blown up at 100 mph, and hit their head on a rock hard enough to knock them out.

Or they were grazed by a falling drop pod.

Or they had three limbs shot off.

Basically, if they were crippled/knocked unconscious on the field, and their warband was destroyed or retreated, they could have been captured without ever surrendering.

Harriticus wrote:-Tyranids: Om Nom nom

lol, well done. Glad you caught me off guard.

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:

Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!

~ Commonly held Ork view of warfare (Codex:Orks 4th Edition p. 49)

Says it all really.

Thanks for the quote, I was looking for it ! Sums it up neatly, yep.

Harriticus wrote:
-Eldar: Shuriken in the head after you put your hands up. The Path of the Warrior book actually has a scene where an Administratum adept tries to surrender to a Dire Avenger and gets executed

An Administratum Adept that had been corrupted by chaos!
The Eldar would only spare lives if those lives would save Eldar lives in the future.

As for the Orks... the majority of posters (if not all) have it right.

Beastmaster wrote:Orks probably arent smart enough to surrender, and im not sure that they would even want to given how much they love to fight

Orks are smart enough not to.
Orks may be crude, but in many respects they are less stupid than any other race. Frankly they pretty much are the only ones with it all sorted.


Surrender in 40K is for the Greater Good and some civil wars.
In understanding that you will notice that orks do more surrendering than any other race, they surrender all the time, its part of their culture.
Two tribes meet, the tribes fight, one warboss kills the other, the losers whole tribe surrenders and joins the winning tribe. Surrender is so natural to orks they dont even think about it, so long as you are surrendering to another ork. Also this guarantees you will always be on the winning side of an ork vs ork fight.