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Without being rude or anything. A critique:

You're Scythe does not look Necrontyr in origin. In faft the vehicle looks almost identical to the war machines from their ancient enemies, the Eldar. it looks so much so like Eldar to the point of confusion/frustration among your opponents, be prepared.

Well, if it makes everyone feel better, I will be buying 9 scythes 18 wraiths 9 tomb spyders and 15 tomb blades when they are released. Gotta love working 40 hours a week and spending only 2 hours on a conversion.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

ghoulio wrote:The tomb stalkers REALLY don't work (and I think they look considerably worse then the Falcon). Even though Necrons are supposed to be "Tomb Kings in Space!" that doesn't mean using actual Tomb King models will work since they are for a "sword a shield" type game and the Tomb Stalkers are more "Matrix-y". Why not use the Immortals as a base for the upper torsos and maybe add in some CC weapons for their hands. You can always use a tube or something for the their lower torsos (plasticard). The biggest thing to focus on is your posing of the models as the ones you have posted make either no sense (the first picture) or make the guy look like they have lost their balance and are taking a header instead of attacking (the last picture).

I understand where you are going with both conversions but the biggest thing would be start with what's out for the Necron range (as most of it is plastic) and move on from there that way it at least FEELS like it is part of your army and not a place holder.

Well, your going to see these models used in tournaments, legally and thats all I care about. So they REALLY work for me.

So you basically say that you don't care what we say or how lazy your convertion is.

Fine, but don't bother posting your stuff in a forum if you don't give a gak about criticism anyway.

Also, don't expect Eldar players to like your army. I play Eldar, and that "Doom Scythe" is just insulting.

Valkyrie wrote:The Doom Scythe just doesn't work. Sorry for sounding harsh but it just looks like a slap-dash Falcon conversion.

I agree. I will say that I want to do a conversion and my cuz said to do this and I flat out said....no....
unless there was a funny story behind it: Necrons jacking a falcon or somthing. Sorry

Marzillius wrote:

So you basically say that you don't care what we say or how lazy your convertion is.

Fine, but don't bother posting your stuff in a forum if you don't give a gak about criticism anyway.

Also, don't expect Eldar players to like your army. I play Eldar, and that "Doom Scythe" is just insulting.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

Marzillius wrote:So you basically say that you don't care what we say or how lazy your convertion is.

Fine, but don't bother posting your stuff in a forum if you don't give a gak about criticism anyway.

Also, don't expect Eldar players to like your army. I play Eldar, and that "Doom Scythe" is just insulting.

I did end up putting effort into the conversion, 2 hours is more than enough and people still say it still looks like so I no l,onger care about the trolls on the forums. Im glad I iinsulted you since Necrons and Eldar are mortal enemies so why not confiscate some Lamedar vehicles and harvest them for the machine? Anyway, when it comes down to it its just a game so I find it funny people are getting angry and saying they hate my conversions, and they hope I am barred from tournaments, so maybe my entire army will end up a mockery of Eldar if the nerds are really that offended by my designs.

Yeah, I'm sure the tournament scene will love you...

Edit: This seems remarkebly similar to that thread by Tau Headhunter that got locked pretty quickly. O.o

Defeatmyarmy wrote:
I did end up putting effort into the conversion, 2 hours is more than enough and people still say it still looks like so I no l,onger care about the trolls on the forums. Im glad I iinsulted you since Necrons and Eldar are mortal enemies so why not confiscate some Lamedar vehicles and harvest them for the machine? Anyway, when it comes down to it its just a game so I find it funny people are getting angry and saying they hate my conversions, and they hope I am barred from tournaments, so maybe my entire army will end up a mockery of Eldar if the nerds are really that offended by my designs.

It's time to stop man. You are beginning to come off as very childish. No one is trolling you, they are giving you feedback. Sometimes converting ideas work, sometimes they don't, this time it didn't.

No one is getting angry, you just tried something and it didn't really work. You posted it on a forum that is typically used for feedback and then got angry at negative feedback.

And 2 hours really isn't very long to put into a conversion, I don't know what you are getting so defensive about. Most serious converters will spend 10+ hours on a good piece, and they STILL get negative feedback.

As for constructive feedback, though it doesn't seem like you care much, I agree with one of the previous posters, the eldar silhouette is just to unique and obvious. If you could change that up and obscure the details I think this idea might work, but it would require some serious chopping and puttying work, which if you consider 2 hours to be a significant investment of time, I doubt you have the patience for. And that is ok, not everyone likes spending 20+ hours on their models.

As for the Necrons looting; sure I could see that. If you did a whole army that way and fluffed it to be a hard hit tomb world that could be pretty cool. But that isn't how you presented it, so don't get mad at people for critisizing your model as if it were a straight Necron piece.

TL;DR sorry it didn't work out like you hoped, but don't get mad at a feedback forum for providing negative feedback. Even great models don't get much good feedback. Really, only the spectacular ones do. The vast majority of feedback is negative, and this is a good things, as it helps you improve.

People not liking what you post isn't trolling. It's being honest.

I had originally tried to be very helpful, but now that I see everyone feels the same way as me, I can be honest. That scythe conversion needs work. As I said before, make the pilot an actual Necron, rather than gluing a Necron head to an Eldar pilot, it's really tacky. Also, cut the wings, add some plasticard to give the vehicle more of a 'scythe' appearance rather than a 'prong' appearance of an Eldar vehicle.

If you're not willing to do any more work, expect negative criticism simply because it is a new army book and the general opinion is that if you use a unit from a new army book that doesn't have an official model out yet, you had best pull it off with conversions. Otherwise you come across as a powergamer.

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If you're not willing to do any more work, expect negative criticism simply because it is a new army book and the general opinion is that if you use a unit from a new army book that doesn't have an official model out yet, you had best pull it off with conversions. Otherwise you come across as a powergamer.

Overall not as bad as it could have been, but it could also do with allot of work, i understand that you don't have the time to put into converting, but something as simple as changing the pilot for a full necron would make it much better looking.

Apart from that, for a cheap quick conversion it's not too bad, imo.

I would try reducing the centre of the piece: cutting a pie piece out of the falcons centre, to the side of the cockpit. this should centralize the cockpit some, and get a more "crescent" shape out of the vehicle. I would also look into reducing the length of the falcons front, so you end up with something more moon shaped instead of something falcon-like. Its important to change the silhouette of the vehicle substantially, or everyone will just think its an eldar tank

IronfrontAlex wrote:You're Scythe does not look Necrontyr in origin. In faft the vehicle looks almost identical to the war machines from their ancient enemies, the Eldar. it looks so much so like Eldar to the point of confusion/frustration among your opponents, be prepared.

Case in point:

Breotan wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:You're Scythe does not look Necrontyr in origin. In faft the vehicle looks almost identical to the war machines from their ancient enemies, the Eldar. it looks so much so like Eldar to the point of confusion/frustration among your opponents, be prepared.

Case in point:

Rofl, that's funny.

@OP's response to me: Very mature respose. Congratulations.

And to think, I was gonna be lazy and do a minor conversion on BSG Raiders(the new versions), and use those until GW makes the 2nd wave.

Breotan wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:You're Scythe does not look Necrontyr in origin. In faft the vehicle looks almost identical to the war machines from their ancient enemies, the Eldar. it looks so much so like Eldar to the point of confusion/frustration among your opponents, be prepared.

Case in point:

THIS! ^^^^^^

if i can add my 2 cents, maybey you could have cut the wings and re attach them at a different angel, this overall concept is good, its just the shape of the tank, i know its supposed to be a flye, the guns re mount them on the bottom, drill a hole for a flying base , and reposition the wings

Defeatmyarmy wrote:
I am a powergamer. Since the model isnt released yet, I wanted to make one of my own to see if it's worth using in tournaments without waiting until at least January for wave 2.

Then why are you complaining people don't like your conversion if you don't care and didn't put any time into it? And why did you post it on a painting and modelling forum? And then get mad when people didn't like the model you claim you don't care about and didn't put any time into?

This is what I mean by you are coming off as defensive. Your words and your actions just don't add up.

Try smoothing your putty out a bit more. That, or deliberately model circuitry. Should eally help improve the aesthetics. I'd also lose that overhang on the back if I were you. Doesn't really add that much to the model.

This is close to the image of the Doom/Night scythe
and would be useful with minor converting.

Or if you want to get moe STG-1,


Either one fist with the robotics/Egyptian feel of the new codex.

Haha, quite contrary to everyone else, I actually somewhat like it. I don't see why everyone is hating on you so much. Hey, you spent money, spent time, and seemingly liked the outcome. All you Eldar players out there need to stop being so defensive and just go with the flow ideas.

I do, however, think you might have better luck going with a more "Death Glider" look to the wings, if you want to. Other than that, ignore trolls and have fun!

007dna wrote:Haha, quite contrary to everyone else, I actually somewhat like it. I don't see why everyone is hating on you so much. Hey, you spent money, spent time, and seemingly liked the outcome. All you Eldar players out there need to stop being so defensive and just go with the flow ideas.

I do, however, think you might have better luck going with a more "Death Glider" look to the wings, if you want to. Other than that, ignore trolls and have fun!

Trust me, no-one's trolling. It's just called feedback. Sometimes it isn't always positive.

shasolenzabi wrote:This is close to the image of the Doom/Night scythe
http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/games/1/12/11511/thumb_620x2000/2pysvev.png and would be useful with minor converting.

Or if you want to get moe STG-1,
http://www.gateworld.net/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/QMx_DeathGlider_02-200x150.jpg

Either one fist with the robotics/Egyptian feel of the new codex.

I've thought of both of those, but don't feel like spending $60-$110 just to have the model a few months early. If I could find cheaper ones my brother would have a Christmas present.

007dna wrote:Haha, quite contrary to everyone else, I actually somewhat like it. I don't see why everyone is hating on you so much. Hey, you spent money, spent time, and seemingly liked the outcome. All you Eldar players out there need to stop being so defensive and just go with the flow ideas.

I do, however, think you might have better luck going with a more "Death Glider" look to the wings, if you want to. Other than that, ignore trolls and have fun!

When you post on a feedback board asking for feedback and people you get negative feedback they aren't trolls. And they aren't hating. Ideally most feedback SHOULD be negative if your not perfect. Negative feedback is really the only useful kind. It should of course be given in a kind manner and with recognition given on things that are done well.

Funny thing, the best artists almost always want negative feedback, and ask for more if they don't feel they are given enough. It is usually pretty telling about your skill and confidence if you get angry about negative feedback.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

I did end up putting effort into the conversion, 2 hours is more than enough and people still say it still looks like so I no l,onger care about the trolls on the forums.

2 hours? That's probably what I use for my foot troops. I'm running on 5 hours with my daemon prince, and theres still probably 5 more to go. It's not a race, man - it's art.

I can applaud your creativity and attempt to "necron" it by placing many necron pieces on the model.

However, I have to admit, it has a shape too reminiscent of the source chassis; an eldar vehicle.

While not always possible, it is best if a conversion not look like what it is based upon (for example, making a storage silo not obviously look like the tin can it was made from).

If you are satisfied with it, use it (my proxies are worse, but then again, I have not started a real conversion) - if you want something better, then this was a good start.

If you enjoyed the creative process of making it, then I would say certainly continue with some of the ideas mentioned here.

1 - Try to only base it on a part of the hull of an existing vehicle, or at least do MAJOR structural changes to break up the profile and styel.
2 - Use the seated necrons from the barge kit (you can get them on ebay for about $4 each).
3 - perhaps dont use an existing vehicle at all...try using a frame made from wire, or spure and slowly build up layers with plastic card.

Best of luck.

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=18472 <----- link to main thread




Have any of you seen this guys Necron Doom/Night Scythe looks really nice and pretty close to that of the book? I have messaged him to ask if he will be selling them. Havent got a reply back but Im willing to buy a few if he is!

Let me know if he contacts you!

I think your idea is sound. The thing I think most people are trying to point out is that Necrons follow a strict structure. Orcs are more prone to take things and Orkify them. Using the model as a proxy is a great idea tho. The work looks good and most notice that, it's the concept. We all go through this from time to time. For instance, I want a super heavy for my sisters of battle and want a big incenerator cannon on it. I looked for bits to use but came up with this.


Not my finest conversion but it will work until I come up with something better. Most of us have models we want and will probably never get so we do our best to make what we need. I waited to see if my Void Raven was gonna be produced and didn't like the proxy I was using, confused my opponent and even myself some times. Finally dropped the bucks and created my own. In your case, the release in on the horizon, so proxy is ok. It does look Eldar but if your not playing against eldar, it should be fine and not be confusing.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

Marzillius wrote:Sorry to say it, but that "Doom Scythe" is god awful. It's just a Falcon/Night Spinner bash.

It doesn't look Necron, it looks like some kind of Eldar Tank variant.

This is the most converting Im doing. Its 100% GW so hate all you want or try to build your own.

Sorry for necroing this thread, but it is relevant to what i'm looking for and that is advice on how to convert a Doom Scythe/Night Scythe.

I'm probably the only one who says this, but I like that conversion. Its given me a starting point for ideas to make my own.

Thanks.