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Ultramarines are unconcerning. BT however are some hardcore mf's

TheAngrySquig wrote:And does this translate to the game?

Not as OP as stated.
You rely on Crisis suits and their different set ups.
They have very long range though, so you could say that. But they have good firepower.

They're not communists as such. As previously states.

So the Crisis suits are used for large scale blamming and are fire warriors better as an infantry force or mech?

Think Crisis as close support, with mid-range weapons and plenty of dirty tricks to offer. It's the Broadside suits who pack the long range blammers


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AND can be squadroned. One of the best units in the whole game IMHO.

Are there any really solid HQ's? I love adding character to my forces with a badass HQ

Hmmm... Farsight is a cool named character, but puts limits to what you can take in your army for fluff reasons. See my summary of Tau fluff in pg. 1 for an explanation.

Shadowsun has cool fluff (she's been commisioned to hunt down the rogue Farsight) but I've never tried or fought against her. And avoid Aun'va, the dreaded spacepope, like the plague!

Non named options include the (broken and mostly unplayable out of fluffy games) Ethereal and Tau commander, be it Shas'o or the lower ranking Shas'el. Shas'o is a tad expensive for a couple of upgrades that are not really that useful, so your HQ will invariably be a Shas'el in a Crisis suit. Don't worry, command suits have a droolsome ammount of wargear to choose from .

You can also give your HQ crisis-suited bodyguards. You can't never have enough suits.

In all, HQ options are limited but solid. However, they can also be pretty fragile under certain... ummm... circumstances. Never get too confident on your seemingly-unstoppable mecha dudes and everything will be fine


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We're straying a bit off from fluff territory, btw

I have a habit of underestimating my things, so I should be ok

1. Not space commies. They're Utilitarianists.
2. NOT SPACE COMMIES.
3. Once upon a time the 4 castes of tau society were separate races who fought. One day a mysterious figure appeared who offered a new way of living. All members of society striving for "A Greater Good" for all. Each member of society working for society's benefit, not for that of an individual. Think of them like Sparta (in fact, they are ALOT like Sparta) in that the warriors are constantly training, there is a rigid Caste structure, warriors are not allowed to take part in government until retirement age, marriages/matings are arranged or not often consummated save in need, and reproduction of good additions to society is more important than love.
4. It is SUSPECTED that the Etherials control the Tau via pheromones or latent psychic abilities, as Imperial Xenobiologists can't comprehend people actually not being total self serving jag-offs. (Until Mat Ward gets ahold of the fluff, that is.)
5. The different Septworlds are stereotyped within the Tau culture to have different attributes. (Some being particularly hard working, or innovative, or hotblooded or fast.) These stereotypes were hardly mentioned in the 4e book, but were discussed a few times in the 3e book. These also form the basis of most people's army fluff, founding warriors from a world containing attributes that they admire.
6. The Tau DO have an excellent propaganda machine, and love to educate other races about how awesome they are. Whether you see this as a means of control or a way of "selling" themselves to new races in order to make themselves more attractive to new races joining the Empire is up to speculation. Much like the "Helmets" worn by Vespid, the true reasons behind such efforts are left up to you to decide. (I personally hate the idea that the vespid helmets are mind control devices. It's rediculous and unnecessary, given that the Vespid offer nothing to the Tau they can't get better from other member races and their own tech.)
7. They believe that technology is it's own reward. Advancing technology will advance their agenda, and therefore have things that other species do not have (techno sorcery) including IR goggles and advanced AI systems.
8. The Tau little understand Chaos and have little to no warp presence. Also, their belief in the "Greater Good" functions much like belief in the Emperor. To have the mind focused and rigid and not open to other ideas by definition protect's you from Chaos. These things make them very difficult to possess or corrupt. The Tau have faith in this Greater Good, and it gives them direction. Without wondering about other things or trying to be what they shouldn't (Firewarriors do not tinker, Earth Caste do not arrange treaties) Chaos finds them little worth the effort. Not when there are sooooo many delicious humans and eldar about...
9. The Tau do not breed between Castes. They stick within their own castes only, even if they find members of the opposite sex (and outside caste) attractive.

I have found that if you build and play your army based on the fluff descriptions of how it functions, you will do very well for yourself.

TheAngrySquig wrote:Ultramarines are unconcerning. BT however are some hardcore mf's

At least they were until Imotehk beat the s*&# out of their Chapter Master, told him he sucked in a monologue, cut his hand off as a reminder of who his daddy was, then tossed him off a cliff.

Well you see,

One for all and all for one!

That's basically all you need to know about Tau.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tau#.Tr8muHIyTYQ

Also, Crisis suits destroy almost anything 1-on-1 as long as no CC is involved.


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BeefCakeSoup wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:Ultramarines are unconcerning. BT however are some hardcore mf's

At least they were until Imotehk beat the s*&# out of their Chapter Master, told him he sucked in a monologue, cut his hand off as a reminder of who his daddy was, then tossed him off a cliff.

Lysander is better.

In what way is Lysander better?

TheAngrySquig wrote:In what way is Lysander better?

Im2randomhgh has a huge hard-on for the Imperial Fists.

I seeee

Imperial Fists = awesome.

Just sayin'.

They're ok, if a bit dickish

Coolyo294 wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:In what way is Lysander better?

Im2randomhgh has a huge hard-on for the Imperial Fists.

I won't deny it. If the Tau and IF had some inter-breeding happening I would totally buy the resulting models.

And Lysander is better for five reasons:

1. CC Monster

2. Hammer shaped like a fist.

3. Takes balls like watermelons to go into battle wearing bright yellow

4. His MELEE weapon is one of the best anti-tank weapons in the game.

5. He was taken prisoner. He then proceeded to, completely unarmed/armoured, escape, killing all the IW he saw along the way and getting his sexy hammer back.


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TheAngrySquig wrote:They're ok, if a bit dickish

Dickish? How so, praytell?

Where can I read his fluff? I only assumed he was worse because he's an IF and usually BT>IF


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And their dickish because of the whole almost starting a second heresy because they didn't quite like Guillimans idea

TheAngrySquig wrote:Where can I read his fluff? I only assumed he was worse because he's an IF and usually BT>IF

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lysander#.Tr88onIyTYQ

And IF>BT

IF have mustaches


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TheAngrySquig wrote:Where can I read his fluff? I only assumed he was worse because he's an IF and usually BT>IF


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And their dickish because of the whole almost starting a second heresy because they didn't quite like Guillimans idea

You mean right after they fortified earth and saved terra and, by extension, the human race and the UM, who were across the galaxy fighting a smaller force than themselves, told them that they weren't good enough and had to fight like ultramarines?

The UM also had ideas that were tactically solid whereas when the IF stepped down they decided to go get trolled by Perturabo


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And Dorn is kind of a whiny bitch

I'd be down for IF...

Sadly they are so owned at all times in every dex, film, book, codex, WD, and even picture...

It seems like your awesome in 40K is measured in how many IF you punk.

I mean, Ultramarine Movie? Company of IF got owned.. New Necron Codex? IF termi gets pwnd in the Destroyer entry.. look at pic. Tau? Company of them get owned at koloth..

Srsly, so many examples not even mentioned. Sucks too, they are a ballin chapter.

TheAngrySquig wrote:The UM also had ideas that were tactically solid whereas when the IF stepped down they decided to go get trolled by Perturabo


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And Dorn is kind of a whiny bitch

Okay, that's one fail. Whereas the UM almost had their entire homeworld eaten so...there's that.

And Dorn is the least whiny of all the primarchs. He is very, quiet honourable and honest. Also, this is after they trolled all of the chaos legions on terra.

PLUS they have a spaceship the size of a moon. Closest thing the IoM has to a craftworld, with it's own ecosystem and everything!


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BeefCakeSoup wrote:I'd be down for IF...

Sadly they are so owned at all times in every dex, film, book, codex, WD, and even picture...

It seems like your awesome in 40K is measured in how many IF you punk.

I mean, Ultramarine Movie? Company of IF got owned.. New Necron Codex? IF termi gets pwnd in the Destroyer entry.. look at pic. Tau? Company of them get owned at koloth..

Srsly, so many examples not even mentioned. Sucks too, they are a ballin chapter.

I think you are thinking of the SoB, actually

plus, ANGRY PRUSSIANS IN SPACE.

Also, they took the Soul Drinkers Prisoner. Without a casualty.

I concede that IF can be cool and it does take brass balls to wear yellow into combat, but Dorn, I just can't stand. He is calm and goes off half cocked at the same time. He wants to be like daddy too much and I can't recall a single badass primarch fight he has been in

TheAngrySquig wrote:I concede that IF can be cool and it does take brass balls to wear yellow into combat, but Dorn, I just can't stand. He is calm and goes off half cocked at the same time. He wants to be like daddy too much and I can't recall a single badass primarch fight he has been in

Well Valdor, who beat Horus in a sparring match, was afraid to duel Dorn.

Why don't you like him? He is the single wisest, fairest, most honest, most level-headed primarch of them all. He really doesn't want to be like the empy. You hate calmness?

Agent_Tremolo wrote:It's actually the Ultramarines who do most of the fighting against the Tau. Dunno if BT are even mentioned.

Still, Space Marines - 10.000 men. Tau - A whole race.

Actually a lot of SMs do battle with the tau. I think it was something like 5 chapters in the gulf crusade alone. (Only about 50 SM give or take. There are no exact number for this battle, they vary just crazy amounts.) The imperial fist get get the odd honor of supervising diplomatic talks with the tau.

nomotog wrote:

Agent_Tremolo wrote:It's actually the Ultramarines who do most of the fighting against the Tau. Dunno if BT are even mentioned.

Still, Space Marines - 10.000 men. Tau - A whole race.

Actually a lot of SMs do battle with the tau. I think it was something like 5 chapters in the gulf crusade alone. (Only about 50 SM give or take. There are no exact number for this battle, they vary just crazy amounts.) The imperial fist get get the odd honor of supervising diplomatic talks with the tau.

I think it was stated as being closer to a company worth of marines? idk.

Also, they battled the raptors and some other chapter during the Taros campaign, right?

And their primary enemies are orks and nids.

im2randomghgh wrote:

nomotog wrote:

Agent_Tremolo wrote:It's actually the Ultramarines who do most of the fighting against the Tau. Dunno if BT are even mentioned.

Still, Space Marines - 10.000 men. Tau - A whole race.

Actually a lot of SMs do battle with the tau. I think it was something like 5 chapters in the gulf crusade alone. (Only about 50 SM give or take. There are no exact number for this battle, they vary just crazy amounts.) The imperial fist get get the odd honor of supervising diplomatic talks with the tau.

I think it was stated as being closer to a company worth of marines? idk.

Also, they battled the raptors and some other chapter during the Taros campaign, right?

And their primary enemies are orks and nids.

I actually can't recall the SM forces at taros. It dose bring up taros though. The biggest tau victory. (That wasn't retconned away or retconned smaller.) That battle likes to cause a lot of debates.

And yes, there primary enemy is orks. Nids are kind of new in that sector. Every codex seems to include one battle with the tau though. This is 40k everyone fights everyone.

im2randomghgh wrote:And Dorn is the least whiny of all the primarchs.

Sanguinius, went to his death without even thinking about it. Dorn is a close second.

im2randomghgh wrote:He is the single wisest, fairest, most honest, most level-headed primarch of them all.

Again, Sanguinius. Except maybe the level-headed bit, Dorn might squeak that one.

Also, if anyone mentions nipple armour, I will be bringing a chainsword and flamer to visit you.


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Also, Dorn got falcon punched by Curze.

im2randomghgh wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:I concede that IF can be cool and it does take brass balls to wear yellow into combat, but Dorn, I just can't stand. He is calm and goes off half cocked at the same time. He wants to be like daddy too much and I can't recall a single badass primarch fight he has been in

Well Valdor, who beat Horus in a sparring match, was afraid to duel Dorn.

Why don't you like him? He is the single wisest, fairest, most honest, most level-headed primarch of them all. He really doesn't want to be like the empy. You hate calmness?

He wasn't afraid, it says that it wouldn't be appropriate to ask a Primarch to duel. And wisest goes to Magnus, fairest goes to Sanguinius, most honest goes to Russ, I will admit that Dorn is high up in level-headedness, maybe surpassed by Guilliman. And Dorn is also not the calmest, after the Ultramarines owned him, which I actually take Dorn's side on, he decided to go get half his legion killed. And also which IF has a mustache, that is an extremely redeeming characteristic.

TheAngrySquig wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:I concede that IF can be cool and it does take brass balls to wear yellow into combat, but Dorn, I just can't stand. He is calm and goes off half cocked at the same time. He wants to be like daddy too much and I can't recall a single badass primarch fight he has been in

Well Valdor, who beat Horus in a sparring match, was afraid to duel Dorn.

Why don't you like him? He is the single wisest, fairest, most honest, most level-headed primarch of them all. He really doesn't want to be like the empy. You hate calmness?

He wasn't afraid, it says that it wouldn't be appropriate to ask a Primarch to duel. And wisest goes to Magnus, fairest goes to Sanguinius, most honest goes to Russ, I will admit that Dorn is high up in level-headedness, maybe surpassed by Guilliman. And Dorn is also not the calmest, after the Ultramarines owned him, which I actually take Dorn's side on, he decided to go get half his legion killed. And also which IF has a mustache, that is an extremely redeeming characteristic.

For the honesty part: "Dorn himself was fiercely loyal to the Emperor, and never once sought any favour from him. He exemplified the truth, and could never tell a lie, even if it would have aided his cause"

I don't remember seeing anything else about honesty on any other page.

Also, fairest would also have to go to Dorn. In Flight of the Eisenstein, after Garro explained about the betrayal at Istvaan to Dorn, it said that any primarch other than Dorn would have killed Garro.

As for wisest, it is debatable, but I don't think Magnus is quite as Sage as Rogal. Magnus was fairly short-sighted and Naive, and quite fanatical about knowledge. Dorn was quite the opposite, planning ahead very thoroughly, and in this way reminds me of Arthur Currie. I guess it is all about opinion though.

Because you have to realize, every primarch was supposed to represent a facet of the Emperor, with Dorn being all that is noble and honourable in the Emperor.

Plus, his mustache alone could destroy Perturabo.