Jaws of the worldwolf and Canoptek Spyders

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**Andilus Greatsword**

I've only ever used it once, and sniped 2 useless Guardsmen

**Formosa**

i think the key word here is "attempts", by any reasoning (either before or after the psy test is done) if you hit a model you are "attempting" to target it, as per the FAQ, so gloom would take affect

**AvatarForm**

Brother Ramses wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble Zombiejoe, but it doesn't work against JAWS.

The timing of the Gloom prism is as follows,

"Each time an enemy unit attempts to target the Canoptek Spyder, or a friendly unit within 3", with a psychic power, roll a D6 if the Psychic test is passed. On a 4+, the power is nullified and has no effect."

The problem with JAWS and the subsequent FAQ regarding targetting is that the target model is not determined until after the Psychic test has already been passed, after the line has already been drawn, and after the first model to be affected by the power has been determined.

As opposed to a power like Living Lightning where you declare a target, check LoS, and then attempt a psychic test at which time the Canoptek Spyder can use the Gloom prism.

This is muddied even further by the fact that JAWS targetting FAQ is based on a target model, not a unit.

Because of what I think as at the minimum, a badly worded rule for an entire army of crappy initiative models, I would allow the 4+ roll from Gloom prism for the FAQ targetted model. However, I would not allow it for any other model that the line touched because, they were not targeted as the requirement for the Gloom prism to work.

+1

**nosferatu1001**

Avatar - you're +1'iong an incorrect argument, as has been shown.

You have attempted to target, so you get a gloom prism roll.

**KnightsofBlood**

yakface wrote:
Agreed, there is no conflict with the Gloom Prism nullifying Jaws, provided the 'target' (the first model hit) is a unit within 3" of the Spyder with the Gloom Prism.

This is exactly how saving throws work. If you pass them, the wound/damage is ignored. Just because that's the case doesn't mean that the saving throw can't be used because a successful save would mean a space-time paradox in which there was never a wound to start with...

This is not an issue, IMHO.

If you want a real issue, then look at the Grey Knight's 'Aegis' special rule which requires a target to be identified BEFORE taking the psychic test, which isn't actually possible the way the rules are written (you have to pass a psychic test in order to USE a power, which means you don't choose a target for any power until after taking the psychic test).

Agreed!

**AvatarForm**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Avatar - you're +1'iong an incorrect argument, as has been shown.

You have attempted to target, so you get a gloom prism roll.

Opps! So I did...

wrong quotation...