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Shadar, while the infantry damage output of a tfex may increase at short range, the anti vehicle abilities of the tfex remain the same. Also, at short range, enemies can assault you and win even with a small tac squad.

Finally, and most importantly, none of the extra damage the t-fex does to infantry do the tyranids lack already. Killing infantry, outside of elite choices, is pretty much the only thing nids do well--paying 265 points for the t-fex and claiming its anti-infantry abilities are good belittles the fact that everything in the entire tyranid book can do the same or much better.

If you could take the tyrannofex in any army you want, not just a nid book... would you? Even orks might pass over it, seeing as they get deff rolla battlewagons.

rigeld2 wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:The problem most people have with it and this thread is ever evident of this, is they treat as just a BS 3 2 Shot S 10 AP 4, when it is much much more then that if used correctly.

tyrannofex+onslaught=nails

Having Onslaught means that you skipped out on Catalyst. No thanks.

Well, you can have both, but yes Catalyst can be difficult to pass up on using.


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DevianID wrote:Shadar, while the infantry damage output of a tfex may increase at short range, the anti vehicle abilities of the tfex remain the same. Also, at short range, enemies can assault you and win even with a small tac squad.

Finally, and most importantly, none of the extra damage the t-fex does to infantry do the tyranids lack already. Killing infantry, outside of elite choices, is pretty much the only thing nids do well--paying 265 points for the t-fex and claiming its anti-infantry abilities are good belittles the fact that everything in the entire tyranid book can do the same or much better.

If you could take the tyrannofex in any army you want, not just a nid book... would you? Even orks might pass over it, seeing as they get deff rolla battlewagons.

True, but with a T-fex you get both. You Get some anti tank and anti-vehicle, and you get a fire absorbing punching bag. Its three for the price of one!

Protecting the T-Fex against assaults is very easy with Nids, but I do agree that's its primary short coming. Still, its the best non-cc anti-tank you can get outside of the elite slot, AND it can do other things pretty good too. It just doesn't fit into the prevalent 40K mindset that Unit A should do X, Unit B should do Y, so the full scope of its abilities often get overlooked.

In terms of the ability to absorb fire, the enemy has to care enough to shoot you for it to be a benefit. Because of the lower threat level compared to everything else the nids have, your enemy can ignore it until they assault it.

I have to agree the BS:3 is the problem I have with it. I use it fairly frequently, but actually prefer a harpy with Venom Cannon. Yeah, they suck and all, but I prefer the mobility of a Harpy.

I find shooting 'nids not the way to go. But since I have an outflank/lurker list, the 'fex tends to be the best primary target for AT, and dies quickly.

Creon wrote:I have to agree the BS:3 is the problem I have with it. I use it fairly frequently, but actually prefer a harpy with Venom Cannon. Yeah, they suck and all, but I prefer the mobility of a Harpy.

I find shooting 'nids not the way to go. But since I have an outflank/lurker list, the 'fex tends to be the best primary target for AT, and dies quickly.

I actually really dig harpies, and don't get all the inter web hate. It's funny, nid players poopoo two of the better anti-tank options outside of the elite slots but wonder why they get rolled by parking lots. I think HVC's are a fantastic stun locking weapon. Everybody loves Haywire weapons but hate the HVC.

Assault, back to the T-Fex, the BS3 is a bit of a pain but it's Assault 2. That's basically twin-linked except you can actually hit twice. You have a 75% (compared to 66% if it was BS 4 but assault 1) chance to hit once and a 25% chance to hit with both. That's not bad at all.

ShadarLogoth wrote:I actually really dig harpies, and don't get all the inter web hate. It's funny, nid players poopoo two of the better anti-tank options outside of the elite slots but wonder why they get rolled by parking lots. I think HVC's are a fantastic stun locking weapon. Everybody loves Haywire weapons but hate the HVC.

I think a lot of the interweb hate for the harpy is (again) no model, 170 points for a MC that will only effectively stunlock, can be IDed (there's a decent amount of STR10 out there), is pretty gak in CC, and only has a 4+ save... It's decent, but with some of the models people use (Trygons with wings and guns? Are you *trying* to never have a cover save?) its a point sink.

rigeld2 wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:I actually really dig harpies, and don't get all the inter web hate. It's funny, nid players poopoo two of the better anti-tank options outside of the elite slots but wonder why they get rolled by parking lots. I think HVC's are a fantastic stun locking weapon. Everybody loves Haywire weapons but hate the HVC.

I think a lot of the interweb hate for the harpy is (again) no model, 170 points for a MC that will only effectively stunlock, can be IDed (there's a decent amount of STR10 out there), is pretty gak in CC, and only has a 4+ save... It's decent, but with some of the models people use (Trygons with wings and guns? Are you *trying* to never have a cover save?) its a point sink.

Fair point, I think a lot more people would try it out if there was a secsie model for it. I know its a bit of a point sink but think it's a natural fit for a DS/flanking list.

I put a Tyrant head and Cannon-arms on a Dragon model I had lying around, and it looks pretty good. And yes, Cover is moot. Unless surrounded by Gargoyles.

I just have terrible luck shooting a T-Fex. It just never gets back it's points. Though the short range anti horde one has done me great good.