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Brother Ramses wrote:No they do not Rig.

GK FW are power weapons that allow an additional psychic power to be used against a model that has suffered an unsaved wound. That psychic power causes ID. The fact that GK FW differ from regular FW in that one activation activates all has zero bearing on how the basic mechanic of a psychic test causes ID to a model that has suffered an unsaved wound.

You are incorrect, the way it is worded, you take the psychic tests, and the wounds caused by the unit become instant death
the psychic power itself does not cause the instant death, the wounds do, so I believe it would count.

forruner_mercy wrote:Also, she does not have to be targeted.
ANY form of psychic power does not affect her.

She may be spongy, but she gets 4/5 +2 power weapon attacks.

My Orks, Daemons and Dark Eldar in general could care less about power weapon attacks at S 3.

Orks don't wear armour much, so who cares if it's powered (except meganobz )

Daemons are all about INV saves.

Dark Eldar (except talos/chronos and incubi) are squishier orks. Power weapons are overkill on their cruddy armour


Marines get a sweat on though...

forruner_mercy wrote:
Dark Eldar (except talos/chronos and incubi) are squishier orks.

Yay! Makes them good for cuddling then.

Thanks for the heads-up about Lady Malys' psy-immunity. So few people use her that I'd never know that from reading battle reports.

Because her weapon is a power weapon, attaching her to a group of Incubi would be good since both will go after the same thing.

On the charge that is 20 PW attacks, which is including her +2 attacks from her "Lady's Blade".

Not on the charge that is 15 PW attacks, including her +2 attacks from "Lady's Blade".

I use a lhamean for her model right now, as she doesn't have one yet, and usually ride her along witha raider full of incubi and a haemy.

She's fun

I think the reason you don't see her in play that often is in the thread above. Everyone tries to circumvent her psi-immunity with rhetoric, or gets hissy when told that they can't affect her.

Seems especially useful against SW players. No JOTWW or LL for them

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Also, after everyone deploys, but before the game truly "starts", you can roll a D3 and move that many models, including putting into reserve and taking out.

Grundz wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:No they do not Rig.

GK FW are power weapons that allow an additional psychic power to be used against a model that has suffered an unsaved wound. That psychic power causes ID. The fact that GK FW differ from regular FW in that one activation activates all has zero bearing on how the basic mechanic of a psychic test causes ID to a model that has suffered an unsaved wound.

You are incorrect, the way it is worded, you take the psychic tests, and the wounds caused by the unit become instant death
the psychic power itself does not cause the instant death, the wounds do, so I believe it would count.

You do not take a psychic test for a NFW until after the enemy unit takes an unsaved wound. Once the model suffers an unsaved wound, you take a psychic test to make that unsaved wound cause said model instant death. That is a psychic power affecting the model which Malys is immune.

The issue arises with NFW and the special rule that requires only one psychic test to activate ALL NFW in the unit. If the first NfW that is activated, is activated at a higher initiative then the rest of the units NFW, all wounds caused by those weapon cause instant death.

So, if Malys was in base to base with a GK that was equipped with a Nemisis Force Halberd, and he allocated his attacks on her, caused an unsaved wound, and passed his psychic test to make that unsaved wound on Malys cause instant death, she would be immune. However, the rest of unit the halberd equipped GK was a part of are now swinging power weapons that cause instant death when they deliver an unsaved wound and Malys and her unit would not be immune to those.

Doesn't make sense, but that is how the NFW are worded.

So...would it be the same for a normal FW? As it, Malys is getting hit by normal PW attacks?

Brother Ramses wrote:

Grundz wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:No they do not Rig.

GK FW are power weapons that allow an additional psychic power to be used against a model that has suffered an unsaved wound. That psychic power causes ID. The fact that GK FW differ from regular FW in that one activation activates all has zero bearing on how the basic mechanic of a psychic test causes ID to a model that has suffered an unsaved wound.

You are incorrect, the way it is worded, you take the psychic tests, and the wounds caused by the unit become instant death
the psychic power itself does not cause the instant death, the wounds do, so I believe it would count.

You do not take a psychic test for a NFW until after the enemy unit takes an unsaved wound. Once the model suffers an unsaved wound, you take a psychic test to make that unsaved wound cause said model instant death. That is a psychic power affecting the model which Malys is immune.

The issue arises with NFW and the special rule that requires only one psychic test to activate ALL NFW in the unit. If the first NfW that is activated, is activated at a higher initiative then the rest of the units NFW, all wounds caused by those weapon cause instant death.

So, if Malys was in base to base with a GK that was equipped with a Nemisis Force Halberd, and he allocated his attacks on her, caused an unsaved wound, and passed his psychic test to make that unsaved wound on Malys cause instant death, she would be immune. However, the rest of unit the halberd equipped GK was a part of are now swinging power weapons that cause instant death when they deliver an unsaved wound and Malys and her unit would not be immune to those.

Doesn't make sense, but that is how the NFW are worded.

What if (hypothetical scenario here), GK Bob (Init 10) and GK Sam (Init 9) assault Malys and her unit. Bob inflicts a wound with his NFW and passes the test to ID, on Malys's unit (not Malys as she is an IC and a separate unit). Sam then attacks and inflicts a wound with his NFW on Malys. Would she be insta-glibbed?

Yes, because the psychic power ID was stopped at I10, but I9 wounds "just" cause Instant Death now

But it would negate the special rules for a normal FW?

forruner_mercy wrote:But it would negate the special rules for a normal FW?

It would negate the first NFW and would negate all regular FW as they are tested on an individual basis.

Nos why would the initial NFW activation not be inst-kill in my situation? I thought in CC, IC are seperate units until the determining results. Wouldn't the unit she is with lose her immunity to psychic powers?

I thought it was 'her" unit - which never changes, even if she's treated as a separate unit

According to OP it does state her unit, but aren't IC's a separate unit in CC? If so, then Lady Malys is her own unit. I know there was a discussion about IC's and special rules for units in another thread somewhere, but I'll be darned if I can find it again.

No, "her" unit never changes - it is the unit she returns to when attacks are resolved , she is only treated as a seperate unit before that

I always thought they were only considered separate in that you could single them out. But their attached unit is "their" unit.

She is still attached to her unit, so her special rule still applies.

She may be treated as seperate for combat resolution, but she's still part of her unit.

Ascalam wrote:She is still attached to her unit, so her special rule still applies.

She may be treated as seperate for combat resolution, but she's still part of her unit.

Quite. It'd be like denying a unit furious charge if only the IC had it because you think they're separate units in CC (they are not). This is obviously not the case, and Malys's immunity works the same way.

Corollax wrote:

Ascalam wrote:She is still attached to her unit, so her special rule still applies.

She may be treated as seperate for combat resolution, but she's still part of her unit.

Quite. It'd be like denying a unit furious charge if only the IC had it because you think they're separate units in CC (they are not). This is obviously not the case, and Malys's immunity works the same way.

Otherwise it would not be nearly as useful. Malys by herself is not a massive threat, not enough for the rule to matter.
However, attaching her to a squad of 4 Incubi is a lot more threatening, and possibly rage inducing when you find out your psychic powers do not affect it

In the case of nemesis power weapons, I don't think the Grey Knights would care. They might not be instant death, but Incubi are one wound models anyway. S4 power weapons vs. T3 models? Ouch.

For most everything else related to psychic powers, though, the combination you've described would be useful.

Very true. It was more of a clarification thing, if I get guys with PW weapons in CC with me I am screwed anyway, as that means my Wyches are probably dead

Yeah, funny thing about 3+ saves and FNP -- they don't react well to power weapons or AP2 weaponry...

I know, but Malys and her squad will not be sent after guys with PW's.

Thats the job for Wyches, who have a 4++ in CC.

Will those wyches be fielded with a haemonculus to give them FNP? A bit of a waste, in that case...

Yes, they will. I do not think of it as a waste, as it lets me survive shooting easier. It also gets me 1 PT closer to Furious Charge.

Ahh. Good arguments, both. And when the raider they're in inevitably explodes, it's nice to be able to take something more than your 6+ save against it.

Yep, thats what the haemi is for - helping you survive the inevitable explosion, and getting you to furious charge

Corollax wrote:Ahh. Good arguments, both. And when the raider they're in inevitably explodes, it's nice to be able to take something more than your 6+ save against it.

Exactly