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For Lady Malys, it says that she (and her attached squad) are immune to psychic powers.
And me being me, I want to know if there is anything that would not apply.
I like to make sure of things.

is that like asking what kind of melta hurts the avatar? im pretty sure if she is immune to psychic power she is immune to all the them not all of them minus one.

I know. I was just bugging me for some reason
Not sure how to describe it. Any powers that deny things like this I guess?

Also, what about a force weapon? What is that counted as?

I would count force weapon as a "psychic attack" that lady malyst is immune to... (wasn't this FAQ'ed as being a psychic attack?)

However, I still think that powers that "buffs" powers would still be allowed... such as the Grey Knight Hammerhand ability or Quickening.

Hammerhand and Quickening work because they make the GK stronger and faster. They do not make Lady Malys weaker or slower.

how about the C:SM (NullZone)

Immune to that.
It is cast against her or her unit and makes them reroll saves.

So it can be successfully cast, but wasted as it doesn't work on her or her unit.

If she is immune to psychic powers, then she would be immune to all psychic powers. This would include beneficial ones. However, I should note, this only applies to psychic powers that are cast upon her. Powers that target a friendly unit and make it easier to hit her (such as Guide) still would work.

Thanks so far guys.
Also, I will check to see if the force weapons are in the FAQ.

Pretty sure force weapons would affect her, as would bolters, shuriken weapons, lascannons and the like...

The force weapon part of a normal FW would not work, however the power weapon would still apply.

Normal FW, no, GK FW, yes. The normal FW is a power against the target. GK FWs are activated in bulk and not against a particular enemy.

Homer

GK FW use a psychic power that causes ID to a model that has suffered an unsaved wound from one. Lady Malys would be immune. The problem lies in people do not understand effect and affect.

However, there is a unique scenario that could cause FW ID TO Lady Malys and the unit she is with;

A multi-assault between a GK unit, Lady Malys with her unit, and a different DE unit. Force halberds attack againgst the non-Lady Malys unit, causing an unsaved wound and force weapon activation at the higher initiative. From that point on, all force weapon unsaved wounds cause ID, even those allocated against the Lady Malys unit.

Brother Ramses wrote:GK FW use a psychic power that causes ID to a model that has suffered an unsaved wound from one. Lady Malys would be immune.

GK FW use a psychic power that causes ID to all models that suffer an unsaved wound. It's not targeted, so Lady Malys would be affected.

This has made me curious. Would Blood Lance hurt her?

No they do not Rig.

GK FW are power weapons that allow an additional psychic power to be used against a model that has suffered an unsaved wound. That psychic power causes ID. The fact that GK FW differ from regular FW in that one activation activates all has zero bearing on how the basic mechanic of a psychic test causes ID to a model that has suffered an unsaved wound.

Brother Ramses wrote:No they do not Rig.

GK FW are power weapons that allow an additional psychic power to be used against a model that has suffered an unsaved wound. That psychic power causes ID. The fact that GK FW differ from regular FW in that one activation activates all has zero bearing on how the basic mechanic of a psychic test causes ID to a model that has suffered an unsaved wound.

I don't know about this.

The way I understand NFW is that they take a psychic test to activate, then each unsaved wound causes ID. That would make them work exactly like Hammerhand in that the test affects the attacking unit, and then a special rule (either ID or +1 S) acts upon the defending unit. If Hammerhand works, then NFW should too.

Then again, if NFW are worded such that it IS a psychic effect on the target (rather than just a USR) then you're absolutely right.

DoW

The way NFW are worded IS different to the standard FW rules, so you could possibly argue that it doesnt count. Seems slightly at odds to do so however....

DogOfWar wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:No they do not Rig.

GK FW are power weapons that allow an additional psychic power to be used against a model that has suffered an unsaved wound. That psychic power causes ID. The fact that GK FW differ from regular FW in that one activation activates all has zero bearing on how the basic mechanic of a psychic test causes ID to a model that has suffered an unsaved wound.

I don't know about this.

The way I understand NFW is that they take a psychic test to activate, then each unsaved wound causes ID. That would make them work exactly like Hammerhand in that the test affects the attacking unit, and then a special rule (either ID or +1 S) acts upon the defending unit. If Hammerhand works, then NFW should too.

Then again, if NFW are worded such that it IS a psychic effect on the target (rather than just a USR) then you're absolutely right.

DoW

The GK attacks normally and wounds normally. If the enemy model suffers a wound, the GK player takes a psychic test and that unsaved wound on the enemy model becomes an ID. That is affecting the model that has already suffered an unsaved wound from the NFW. However, with one activation, all NFW activate which makes any wounds they then cause, cause ID. Which as I pointed out is the difference.

In otherwords, the first unsaved wound by a higher initiative NFW turns an unsaved power weapon wound into a ID. The psychic power caused an unsaved wound on an enemy model to be ID. It is affecting the model with an unsaved wound. Whereas subsequent unsaved NFW wounds done at lower iniative are being dealt out as ID wounds. The psychic test changed those weapons to ID causing weapons, not an unsaved wound into a ID.

So if you multi assault, activate vs the other squad, then ID Lady Malys it'd be okay?

That seems ... not right.

Wait, so what about that one Necron power that has the night-fighting rules? Is that a psychic power?

It's not a psychic power that targets Lady Malys, so it would still work.

Necron tech upgrades are non-psychic i think, anyway..

Tech /= Psychic. Oddly enough there are NO psychic powers in the necron book....

nosferatu1001 wrote:Tech /= Psychic. Oddly enough there are NO psychic powers in the necron book....

Not to go too far OT, but this is the case with the Daemons codex as well. I've seen a lot of people wrongly assuming this or that is a psychic power, but it's usually right there in the description... (Now stop asking me to roll Fateweaver's psychic test!)

Daemons are at no risk from perils of the warp....

Who'd have thunk it

Frankly, Malys is like all eldar. Spongy! Shoot her instead of trying to kill her with mind-bullets (unless you're daemons..in which case it's the same thing )

Also, she does not have to be targeted.
ANY form of psychic power does not affect her.

She may be spongy, but she gets 4/5 +2 power weapon attacks.

The STR10 from Hammerhand will affect her. Psychic powers cannot directly affect her, but there are powers that do not directly affect anything but your unit. Guide, for another example.

forruner_mercy wrote:Also, she does not have to be targeted.
ANY form of psychic power does not affect her.

She may be spongy, but she gets 4/5 +2 power weapon attacks.

Psychic powers can indirrectly affect her. Hammerhand and Quickening as pointed out and a previously activated NFW.

What I meant by that is that she (or her squad) does not have to be targeted.