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I dont mind the odd orkish comment but when people start their whole conversation in orkish it is a bit annoying

vercingatorix wrote:playing basketball with someone who's not really into it is the most frustrating thing in the world. I've found that a little at my local store. people just interested in having really badass fluff armies but then I play them and I lost a big shoota from my battlewagon in a 2000 point game and tabled them. It's the unbalance that annoys me.

If they would sit down and have a few chickenwings and beers great, but I don't want to sit down with a raging alcoholic.

Ahhh, ok, I think I see a major point here. And I can completely understand it. I for one have, many times, cobbled together horrible, but fluffy, armies. But I break those out for casual games with people who are doing the same or for people just starting that I don't feel like ROFLstomping. But, when you find people that can make those fluffy armies work and tear you to pieces with it? THAT'S gold right there. I play 40k for the fluff. The lore, the models, the painting even, come before effective gaming. But damn do I hate losing sometimes (when it's not even a fight, like you stated) and I am more than willing to bring the pain in between bouts of silly, hopefully finding a good middle road I can ride out for a bit. Easier said than done.

Joey wrote:OP has described why I don' t like playing with teenagers.
PEW PEW I IZ DA ORK.
Honest to god sometimes when I'm in Games Workshop, not even playing, I want to give the little gaks the back of my hand.

Aww, so sorry to hear that. I'm 20 and I love to walk around the shop, talkin' like a Ork, assembling models while mumbling about "gubbins" and shouting WAAAGH! when I make a game changing charge. And most people (won't say everyone, that's just silly) enjoys it because almost everyone I play with plays for a laugh, a challenge AND a good time. I hope you at least find a few in ya gamin'.

EDIT: I'm sorry if that last part came off as harsh. I only meant it to make a point that everyone enjoys different things. Apologies in advance.

nomotog wrote:I think the thing with orks is at there core, they are basically 4 year old children.

Haha, now that is nonsense. I'm a saath Londoner as the British Noel Fielding likes to portray it. So I should know about ork aesthetic. You are clearly not used to the low life of the big cities of this world. They see an ork, they see a mirror.

The orks have a culture more than being morons and retards, unlike popular belief. They just have one we can't relate to being humans. They have codes and morals like us. Though many we don't understand very well such as our own. We find it hard to relate to the whole suck the life out of the weak and show religious respect to authority.

I'm into Tudor re-enactment. We re-create a hyper authentic Tudor manor in Suffolk each year and live a few weeks of our life as would the Tudors, mainly for a laugh but also we get to meet people and learn skills that would normally be useless. The school parties of tweenagers that come through here see what they used to do and call it primitive and stupid. We call it different.

Remind you of anything?

It is just the same. We call it primitive, but heck. I bet none of those schoolies could gut a chicken?


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templarsandorks? wrote:I dont mind the odd orkish comment but when people start their whole conversation in orkish it is a bit annoying

Haha, I would hate that.

Devlan wrote:Orks are silly usually. Their are exceptions to this like Ghaz and Wazdakka but most units and charcters are silly.

Not at all. Really, the Orks thankfully lost a lot of their silliness in recent codices and have become more serious, more brutal hordes of technobarbarians.

The best way I imagine a serious ork is thinking of movies like Saw or The Hills have Eyes. Either creepy over-complicate/gruesome traps which seem to please someone. Imagining a tusked freak with rusty and blood chainsaw eyeing your teeth with a almost perverted smile before bringing it down on the bridge of your nose and not stopping with a satisfied grin until he reaches the operating table.

All this is scary cause these are things orks would do. But when faced against super humans with plas-steel armor and yadda yadda yadda they lose a lot of their intimation and cling to bravado and constant perseverance! Again think of the Hills have eyes... Even when those mutants were being killed left and right they still wanted to kill that main character for some reason almost territorial rather than just slink away without being seen again which to me would have been the more traumatic experience... kill a whole bunch of people then just not return.

In that same light I imagine an Ork seeing a dreadnought he has gone his whole life bullying others, stomping weaklings to inches of their lives and sensing defeat tries with all his might to do what he can't like a child does with it's parents.

I really like the current look and feel of the Orks. They can be a bit silly when needed, but they can also be brutal when required. Mostly it depends a lot on the modeller/painter/player, but I feel that a good Ork player can give his army both qualities.

OK. Orks are seriously meant to be the comedic essence in the 40K universe. They truely are, as just by looking at their codices you can tell. They are incredibly silly, but when you step back and put yourself in the shoes of an imperial guardsman, they are utterly fething terrifying. Consider it: Hordes and Hordes of orks charging at you and simply not dying when shot at, ripping and tearing everything in their path. They show no remorse, and only see the psychotic and sadistic fun in warfare as they tear everything apart with glee. I think the thing that made me see how horrifying the orks are is in the Space Marine game, where by collecting the servo skulls you get a first hand view of what its like having Orks invade your planet.

bombboy1252 wrote:

KhornePysker wrote:Orks were made for the lazy modelers who suck at doing conversions; all they have to do is plasticard a toy and its now an ork battlewagon but that is why they're awesme

I beg to differ.....



and I think khanaris would also beg to differ............(the creator of the looted carnifex)

How could you.... I don't even...... but carnifex aren't vehicles.....

And then I remembered...

They are orks, and my brain didn't explode

vercingatorix wrote:
If they would sit down and have a few chickenwings and beers great, but I don't want to sit down with a raging alcoholic.

Not quite sure what you are getting at here. It seems like a slur against gamers who regard 40k as little more than a beer and pretzels game (let's face it, it's no 'Diplomacy') and have beer available during their games. ...Seems like, but I'll cut you a little slack. I know that in a lot of the US, you can't even legally touch alcohol until you're 21 (not that this will stop teens. Nothing much does).

You are aware there is a BIG difference between having a few beers over mandollies and being an alcoholic, right?

There's drinking, binge-drinking, and excessive drinking.

Several of my clubmates and I enjoy a couple of beers over our games. We are at the club for around 8-9 hours. We might have 3 beers in that time. That doesn't even put us over the legal driving limit, let alone drunk or make us alcoholics. We don't play shot for shot, or shot for casualty (you lose a guy, you take a shot). We may not even have a beer at all for some meets (it's one day a week.).
Besides, the bar staff have to abide by responsibility laws and will not serve you if you are drunk.

Besides, in a game packed with absurdity, how can orks NOT be silly?

They are football hooligans with guns.
Nowt sillier than a ManCity supporter, armed or otherwise.

Never been a fan of the orkz due to their I don't want to say silly cause some guys make them look good but I don't their look and "trash" weapons don't appeal to me. I said trash since they dont work for anyone but orkz. lol

Orks are what got me interested in 40k. I looked at their fluff, looked at some conversions out there, and I saw a fun challenge seeing as they can take anything and 'make it betta'. Yes, there is a bit of sillyness to the orks, but the way they trample down on each other and in the fluff fight amongst themselves more than anyone else actually adds that much more fluff to them.

The way the orks are made, growing from spores, has to be the most funny thing about them, but beyond that, the brutality and ferocity that they bring to battle and the fact that the green tide is something that can never be truly squashed is what makes orks absolutely terrifying. Twice Ghazkull decided to attack Armageddon for absolutely no reason other than it looked as if it would provide the most entertainment for him, the fact of it being a manufactorum only an afterthought.

Orks thrive on battle and live for it in every circumstance. The fact that in the fluff that a band of orks are fighting to the amusement of Khorne day in and day out simply because they had sought into the Eye of Terror to look for the biggest and baddest to test their mettle against. Orks are closer to vikings if anything, and thats why I love them.

TLDR, Orks are extremely fluffy and seek to squash every opponent in their path, ork or not, simply for the thrill of battle. Those players doing an appropriate "WAAAAGH!" at the table, which I am among those that do, do not laugh, that is our viking war cry. There is nothing wrong with getting into the fluff. I enjoy both the modeling, fluff, and the strategy involved with the game. Just proves, it takes all kinds for a game to stay alive. I can say that I at least have the respect to take every game I set up in seriously regardless of my orky banter.

KhornePysker wrote:Orks were made for the lazy modelers who suck at doing conversions; all they have to do is plasticard a toy and its now an ork battlewagon but that is why they're awesme

And ridiculous comment of the year goes too.....

Ive always enjoyed my ork force for 40k and not once have I let silly fluff get in the way of how I want to play them ie win.

I choose an army based on how it plays the fluff is so low on my list of things that matters its almost a non event.

I have never once made a warghh sound and have no plans to. I also go to ground with my squads and run them home if they take to many casulities to be combat effective. Sometimes I will get funny accusing looks from other players for not playing in character but its not D&D and overly fluffy players honestly give me the creeps.

my brother plays orks, and while it is comic relief sometimes, his orks are badasses and can be very serious when they need to be.

yeah humies..orks are comedic relief...until they deliver the punchline, in yer face.

Orks are having a great time when they fight, and most Ork players usually share a bit of that joviality, in my many years of playing this game I can only say I ever met one Ork player that was not fun to play against.

Usually the Ork players exhibit the right blend of ethusiasim and competivness that makes for a very enjoyable game, its one of the reasons I collect Orks as well, that and they are really fun to make conversions for.

There are also main branches of the Orks that are very serious, Goffs and Death Skulls and Snakebites, and other branches that are more silly, Evil Sunz and Bad Moonz and those rich ones whose name escapes me

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

KhornePysker wrote:Orks were made for the lazy modelers who suck at doing conversions; all they have to do is plasticard a toy and its now an ork battlewagon but that is why they're awesme

I beg to differ.....



and I think khanaris would also beg to differ............(the creator of the looted carnifex)

How could you.... I don't even...... but carnifex aren't vehicles.....

And then I remembered...

They are orks, and my brain didn't explode

Looted carnifex actually makes more sense than other looted vehicles. How would orks understand the complicated technology of eldar or even Imperial technology? Sure they have their own technology but that doesn't mean they can automatically figure out how other technologies work.
All you'd need to cotrol a carnifex would be various drugs to control it, so it's angry for battle but subdued at camp.
And it's fething awesome

I figured it be easier to rig up imperial tech because the IG already have to maintain them and keep them in working order, all on ork has to do is stick on some orky bits and its done. Eldar tech I think would probably be one of the harder ones for an ork to loot.

But then again, all orks have to do is believe that what they're doing works, and voila! Your stuff is my orky stuff

I love orks

To be fair, I think it is substantially easier to do an Ork vehicle conversion well than a Tau or Eldar vehicle. The real key is that you are essentially building the conversion the same way the Ork would, by combining various things together in a rough way and riveting, nailing, and chaining it all together. You can't do that with Eldar or Tau vehicles. Imperial conversions are much easier than the other Xenos armies (mainly due to the wide range of parts), but Orks and Chaos have always been the most forgiving for any converter. Ork conversions are not just random plasticard and toy cars, but that sort of conversion does work for them where it wouldn't for another army. I always had to work pretty hard to tie all of my stuff back to the regular 40k models so they looked okay with the rest of the army.

When I was playing Orks a lot, I didn't generally roleplay as an Ork myself. I didn't spend much time yelling at my opponent, at least. But I did enjoy the army a lot more when I was trying to think like an Ork in terms of tactics. The developers really did a good job with the book in that sense. It tells you that Orks want to win, but they are really there to fight first and win second. The entire feel of the army lends itself to a playstyle that favors spectacle over results.

i think the awsomeness of orks is just sheer, pure awsomeness. it doenst seem to matter what age you are, my 12 year old bro, me 17, and my dad, 36 all think orks are funny and at the same time, one of the most terrifying races in the 40k universe, i think in the end it will be a battle between orks, tyranids and necrons. my dads been playing warhammer since first edition, he is also one of the greatest painters and converters i have ever seen, he used to do the forgeworld stuff for white dwarf and some of the stuff he has done is truly awsome. he also has one of the hardest 40k armys i have ever seen, its soemthing like a battlewagon with ghazgull and some mega armoured nobz, a battlewagon full of flamers and a battlewagon full of big shootas, and soemthing else but i forget what, and if you still had any chance of winning by the end of the first turn you were doing well.

as said by Commissar Ciaphas Cain, "I've got to know a great deal more about these creatures over the last century or so, since that first disconcerting encounter, and one thing I've seen time and again is that dismissing them as simple, unreasoning brutes is a fast route to the graveyard"

Uthan the Perverse, a controversial Eldar philosopher: "The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude."

the orks say thery were made to fight, and win. this is very true, they were created by the old ones to help fight the necrons and the old ones obviously did a good job because there still around, and still doin what they do best.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

If you have the Ork codex, I would like you to turn to page #3...

Look at the part that says "WHY COLLECT AN ORK ARMY"

Go to the second paragraph, second sentence.....

"Orks appeal to players with a sense of humor and a taste for inflicting severe beatings upon the enemy".

Ya they arent that silly if played by a good general and table you. lol

Orks can be silly and menacing alternately or the same time. There's no reason they have to be a one-dimensional stereotype. And in a way it makes them more alien.. to be bizarre and silly yet still a seriously nasty and terrible menace.

Nazgren wrote:i think the awsomeness of orks is just sheer, pure awsomeness. it doenst seem to matter what age you are, my 12 year old bro, me 17, and my dad, 36 all think orks are funny and at the same time, one of the most terrifying races in the 40k universe, i think in the end it will be a battle between orks, tyranids and necrons. my dads been playing warhammer since first edition, he is also one of the greatest painters and converters i have ever seen, he used to do the forgeworld stuff for white dwarf and some of the stuff he has done is truly awsome. he also has one of the hardest 40k armys i have ever seen, its soemthing like a battlewagon with ghazgull and some mega armoured nobz, a battlewagon full of flamers and a battlewagon full of big shootas, and soemthing else but i forget what, and if you still had any chance of winning by the end of the first turn you were doing well.

as said by Commissar Ciaphas Cain, "I've got to know a great deal more about these creatures over the last century or so, since that first disconcerting encounter, and one thing I've seen time and again is that dismissing them as simple, unreasoning brutes is a fast route to the graveyard"

Uthan the Perverse, a controversial Eldar philosopher: "The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude."

the orks say thery were made to fight, and win. this is very true, they were created by the old ones to help fight the necrons and the old ones obviously did a good job because there still around, and still doin what they do best.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

I've played alot of Rogue Trader and the like, I spent hours pouring over books and learning fluff I had no idea existed during those times. The one thing I will say about orks that we haven't if that all this is very much true, but if nothing else Orks are the Analogy of Natural Rot or decomposition to me. The idea that something more crude, less intelligent and bestial shall as one of the high lords of Terra themselves said "Be ruling the Galaxy rather than us." Its that same sort of feeling you'd get if someone wanted to "take over your life".

The orks are a powerful dangerous threat that doesn't have the impulse to run once outmatched... this will be the reason they always do stupid things because people think they can't do them... and with enough experimentation and time the orks learn a new skill yet again! Ultimately the best strength to the orks are their simple stupid and silly nature... and they know it

Because I'm a lazy bastard and I like to give credit where it's due :

The Son Of Russ wrote:OK. Orks are seriously meant to be the comedic essence in the 40K universe. They truely are, as just by looking at their codices you can tell. They are incredibly silly, but when you step back and put yourself in the shoes of an imperial guardsman, they are utterly fething terrifying. Consider it: Hordes and Hordes of orks charging at you and simply not dying when shot at, ripping and tearing everything in their path. They show no remorse, and only see the psychotic and sadistic fun in warfare as they tear everything apart with glee. I think the thing that made me see how horrifying the orks are is in the Space Marine game, where by collecting the servo skulls you get a first hand view of what its like having Orks invade your planet.

Nazgren wrote:i think the awsomeness of orks is just sheer, pure awsomeness. it doenst seem to matter what age you are

as said by Commissar Ciaphas Cain, "I've got to know a great deal more about these creatures over the last century or so, since that first disconcerting encounter, and one thing I've seen time and again is that dismissing them as simple, unreasoning brutes is a fast route to the graveyard"

Uthan the Perverse, a controversial Eldar philosopher: "The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude."

Connor MacLeod wrote:Orks can be silly and menacing alternately or the same time. There's no reason they have to be a one-dimensional stereotype. And in a way it makes them more alien.. to be bizarre and silly yet still a seriously nasty and terrible menace.

The in-universe quotes are very good at setting the mood, and I would have written quotes #1 and 3 myself.
Just to add my two cents by summarizing : orks are inherently silly, crazy awesome and dreadfully dangerous at the same time.

Also, I damn well hope I'll be able to enjoy silliness no matter my age, thank you very much. As someone said, I take fun very seriously.
There is no contradiction between strategizing seriously and "getting into it".

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:How could you.... I don't even...... but carnifex aren't vehicles.....

And then I remembered...

They are orks, and my brain didn't explode

Mine did, from the sheer awesomeness.