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Kid_Kyoto wrote:

IronSnake wrote:Kind of a rant... but I think it's stupid how the Crux Terminatus has a itty bitty sliver of the Emperor's armor from his showdown with Horus. I'm not sure why it bugs me, but it does.

You would think they would have put his armor in a status field or in the palace museum or something. You know... for when he comes back. He'll need it!

Apparently it was pretty burnt and wrecked.

The bit about the Crux is a reference to an old Catholic belief that every church altar has a piece of the true cross.

It's not true, I've had priests tell me it's not true, but everyone still believes it.

That's true. It got pretty mangled. Which leads me to another gripe: his arm was pulled from his body by Horus... yet in some illustrations his mangled body is shown with both arms. Grrr. They gotta get their fluff/art straight.

I didn't know that about the Crux/Catholic/Cross bit. Thanks for sharing.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:I correct myself apparently it was a Custodes not a marine that replaced Ollanius Pius, IIRC it was in some BL book, unfortunatly I found out about this on another site as well, Bolter and chainsword I think.

Think they swapped Ollanius for an IF Terminator Captain first of all, who distracted Horus by firing at him (pathetic!), then changed it to a Custodes, because they're boring as hell compared to a solitary Guardsman standing up, dusting off his fatigues and letting the Marines/Custodes know that he's got this one, so they can sit back and relax, then planting himself square in front of a Primarch who could, and did, tear him apart without a moments thought or effort.

Likely they did it so it would make more "Sense" from a fluff standpoint, but I still say humbug...give the boy his moment in glory....

I personally think it makes less sense with an augmented super human doing it. That it was an ordinary human who protected his Emperor, delaying Horus by vital seconds to give the Emperor the time he needed to strike the renegade Primarch down is awesome. It's a metaphor to me; Humanity, represented in Ollanius Pius, protecting the Emperor in his hour of need when he would have done the same for them.

Sparks_Havelock wrote:

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:I correct myself apparently it was a Custodes not a marine that replaced Ollanius Pius, IIRC it was in some BL book, unfortunatly I found out about this on another site as well, Bolter and chainsword I think.

Think they swapped Ollanius for an IF Terminator Captain first of all, who distracted Horus by firing at him (pathetic!), then changed it to a Custodes, because they're boring as hell compared to a solitary Guardsman standing up, dusting off his fatigues and letting the Marines/Custodes know that he's got this one, so they can sit back and relax, then planting himself square in front of a Primarch who could, and did, tear him apart without a moments thought or effort.

Likely they did it so it would make more "Sense" from a fluff standpoint, but I still say humbug...give the boy his moment in glory....

I personally think it makes less sense with an augmented super human doing it. That it was an ordinary human who protected his Emperor, delaying Horus by vital seconds to give the Emperor the time he needed to strike the renegade Primarch down is awesome. It's a metaphor to me; Humanity, represented in Ollanius Pius, protecting the Emperor in his hour of need when he would have done the same for them.

Well phrased good Sir!

At least it makes Horus more impressive to flay a superhuman with his mind. Though I prefer the certain death you-shall-not-pass aspect.

His teeth at the moment

Great White wrote:His teeth at the moment

More like His mind. He can unleash massive warp storms anywhere in the galaxy (Storm of the Emperor's Wrath) and stop time while holding audiences (Jaq Draco). And Living Saints probably channel the Emperor's power, like daemons do for the Chaos Powers and the Avatar for the Eldar war-god.

The storm of the emperor's wrath is claimed to be him, IIRC, not proven to be (name aside)

I think Sebastian Thor just assumed it was Emperor sent, because it happened to the other side, rather than to his forces Powerful,. lingering warp storms aren't exactly unknown in the galaxy, after all, and they are not all of Imperial manufacture

Stopping time is a neat trick though

Fluff doesn't exactly contradict the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath being unleashed by the Emperor though, so we can assume that causing warp storms is part of His power. Fluff does imply that Mankind's collective belief in the Emperor's divinity has increased the Emperor's might.

Nor does it confirm it, so no we cannot assume it was part of his power.

Prove it was him. Otherwise it was just co-incidence. Thor took it as a sign that it was, is all, unless you have something a tad more concrete?

The Emperor may be stronger due to human belief. I'll not dispute the possibility, as other deities work the same way.

It doesn't prove that the warpstorm was anything more than a fluke, that got claimed as being Big E's work

Warpstorms pop up all the time. A warpstorm that nailed the baddies, then vanished and reappeared on the next nearest concentration of baddies, over and over again.. that i'd be more likely to believe as being deliberate.

Good point. Codex: Sisters of Battle 2nd Edition only states that it was taken as a sign of the Emperor's will since it destroyed Vandire's forces. Still, IMO , the storm was caused by the Emperor since it seems to be too great a coincidence that it destroyed Vandire's forces just by random (although I'm not throwing the possibility aside).

The Emperor has a chicken. It counts as a hand weapon & inflicts 100000 SD hits. Like abaddons ponytail.

Evil chicken...

Must..resist....urge...to...convert....

Re the Vandire-wiping storm:

The Spanish Armada was scattered by a truly vicious storm, IIRC, losing about a third of its ships. It was taken as a sign from God at the time.

Was it? Probably not. Might have been, i suppose, but probably not.

If you want to believe it was Him, then feel free. I'm more inclined towards it being spacey-wasey, timey-wimey random chance, especially since it's STILL there, and serving no useful purpose, presumably draining Big E of power to maintain it (unless there's something we don't know lurking in the region that's cut off.... (cue outer limits music..)

Will we ever find out..? Probably not, but I can have fun imagining the unbelievably uber threat that Big E is still containing, if it's true...

Maybe he keeps it there as a memorial of sorts...

Bit of a waste of power if so, given the hole the IOM is in..

I like the idea of a prison myself, holding in something uber, if it has to be His. I still think it's just a coincidence

-Loki- wrote:

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:only if Ollanius Pius is represented as a humble guardsman, not the retconned marine.



Hate it when they tamper with great fluff.

They retconned him as a Marine? Why the feth for?

IIRC they took the awsome guardsman, replaced him with a marine, then a termy, and as it stands atm it is a custode, i think but im not 100% certain. and the feth for is because they are Games workshop ... nuff said

JamesMclaren123 wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:only if Ollanius Pius is represented as a humble guardsman, not the retconned marine.



Hate it when they tamper with great fluff.

They retconned him as a Marine? Why the feth for?

IIRC they took the awsome guardsman, replaced him with a marine, then a termy, and as it stands atm it is a custode, i think but im not 100% certain. and the feth for is because they are Games workshop ... nuff said

I think they decided that it was unlikely that a simple guardsman would have survived the fight throught the Vengeful Spirit, so he got retconned. Still, it isn't such a good story.

Yeah, the idea of a normal, unaugmented and truly human character standing up to the the greatest terrors of the galaxy, through only sheer force of will and courage for even the smallest chance to save something that he holds dear to him is probably the greatest imagery and thematic element that Games Workshop has ever made.

So of course they had to ruin it.

IIRC, in the 40K compendium, they say imperial historians are not sure whether this "saint" was a custodes, a guardsman or an IF marine.

But in the most recent publications about this event, the meat-shield dude is a custodes.

Lexicanum still lists Ollanius Pius as a guardsman. So if anyone could tell me where else i could check I would try my best

Also, I always pictured the big E with a rubber ducky. I don't know why

'rubber ducky... rubber ducky....'

It does take a bit of the awe and majesty out of the image

I thought it was kinda epic because colour wise it would match, and it would be kind of awesome that the Emp could take on people while in his bathtub atire.

I am clean! here me roar!

And then I hear ernie's laughter

Ascalam wrote:'rubber ducky... rubber ducky....'

It does take a bit of the awe and majesty out of the image

Why? The Emps so powerful he just has to sqeak him bath toy at you and you die, sounds epic!

Must resist urge to convert!