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I'll never rely on anything Ghost21 ever says again! I never got my two sword upgrade option dammit!

Absolutionis wrote:

bhsman wrote:It doesn't really matter anyways, considering who is providing the rumor.

You do realize that the post you're pointing to actually is a repost from Blood of Kittens, right? Ghost21 is just relaying information. The only discredit to Ghost21 here is that he momentarily believed the monkeys with typewriters over at Blood of Kittens.

Is this a joke?

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Exodites are the 40k version of Wood Elves mixed with a little bit of Lizardmen. Basically nature loving space elves that tame dragons/dinosaurs. They're mentioned in the fluff a bit (a Necron dream team wipes out some in their new codex) but haven't gotten any model support aside from a model or two in Epic, IIRC.

Sorry going back a few posts, but they also got a focus in the Games Day book this year, they pwned the (at the time) guard, and made the Salamanders sweat a bit. That was how ever many thousands of years ago (pre heresy) so who knows what those dino's could be like now

Exodites: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exodite
In 2nd edition the Exodite Dragon riders were an official unit in the Codex, without official models AFAIK.
There have been several attemts at making fan-Codices, e.g.
http://www.agisn.de/html/codex_exodites.html (3rd edition, but famous)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Codex_Exodites
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Codex_Exodites

In 4th edition they are still present in the background, having a full paragraph.

FW once contemplated including a solitaire and Exodites in their upcoming Eldar-centered IA books, but decided otherwise (if you like conspiracy theories: Maybe because GW intervened and said these are part of the next Codex).

BTW I added some rumours by stickmonkey in the first post.

Totalwar1402 wrote:

Eumerin wrote:Exodites have appeared before in official GW releases as units attached to a Craftworld army. The Eldar Knights, which were basically small one-man titans, were a creation of the Exodites and piloted by them. Unfortunately, as cool as it would be to have a centauroid Eldar walker about twice the height of a wraithlord, GW appears to have completely forgotten about the Eldar Knights.

So basically, it would not be out of place to see an Exodite contingent in a Craftworld army anymoreso than it is out of place to see a Harlequin contingent in a Craftworld army. The Exodites are another faction of Eldar, but they maintain close ties with the Craftworlds.

They have had an awefully filthy habit of adding large plastic kits to their armies of late...

While that is true, the knight-sized units specifically seem to have fallen by the wayside. Humans had knights as well (inspired by the Exodite versions), and while they've apparently been mentioned in BL novels, they haven't shown up near a table. And knights of both the human and eldar variety would be perfect fodder for Forgeworld. The orks had their own knight equivalent - the Stompa. That got it's own plastic kit just a little while back, but also got a noticeable boost in size.

So the issue isn't that GW can't release knights. It's that GW seems to be indicating that it wants to forget about them.

Absolutionis wrote:

bhsman wrote:It doesn't really matter anyways, considering who is providing the rumor.

You do realize that the post you're pointing to actually is a repost from Blood of Kittens, right? Ghost21 is just relaying information. The only discredit to Ghost21 here is that he momentarily believed the monkeys with typewriters over at Blood of Kittens.

ghost21 was saying that those rumors posted from BoK were untrustworthy-- since they all proved to be true, that damages his credibility somewhat.

Fetterkey wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:

bhsman wrote:It doesn't really matter anyways, considering who is providing the rumor.

You do realize that the post you're pointing to actually is a repost from Blood of Kittens, right? Ghost21 is just relaying information. The only discredit to Ghost21 here is that he momentarily believed the monkeys with typewriters over at Blood of Kittens.

ghost21 was saying that those rumors posted from BoK were untrustworthy-- since they all proved to be true, that damages his credibility somewhat.

I was about to post the same thing, Fetterkey is 100% correct here.

Some Alex over at BoLS said the following:

My contact in the development team says that I can tell you guys the exodite part is true but they will also play a bigger role and there will be more information about them, Possible Exodite character that my contact saw.

That said it is a long time away from the codex and they are still in the development and playtesting stage.

Small tidbit by Mirbeau over at Warseer:

As for new wraithguard, I actually talked to Jes about the prospect @ Games Day 2010 (or 9?) while he was manning a stand. What was said was along the lines of 'we've thought about that before, they could with being modernized/being closer to our current aesthetic'. I said (only half seriously) something along the lines of 'bigger and plastic then' and got a joking affirmative in response. Still, I wouldn't read too much into that.

Oh and please do not expect Exodites, they've actually had some minor (more brainstorming) development before, more than once, but always end up getting chucked as they are seemingly too twee/high fantasy for the grimdark future. Pity but that's how it goes.

If a guy vomits out tons of "rumors" then odds are he will get a few right by chance alone.

This is pretty much ghost21's SOP...

Dragon riding space elves? Well, it'd better pan out. My gf has already thrown her tau in the garbage disposal on hearing this rumor.

Absolutionis wrote:I'm also really hoping the "dragon riders" mean Fire Dragons riding jetbikes

That would be insane. No mech list would ever play against Eldar again!

"Incoming! Squadrons of fast skimmers armed to the teeth with melta weaponry! What are your orders, Commander?"
"...Tell all armour crews to get out and walk."

Kroothawk wrote:Mirbeau:

too twee/high fantasy for the grimdark future

That would be my instinct, too. I like the idea of Exodite Eldar, but only as fluff or perhaps as one them semi-official Forge World add-on rule dealies (with models!). To make them an official, playable army, would feel a little out of place in the main WH40K game. Robot Tomb Kings are one thing, but Space Wood Elves riding alien dragons would just feel a bit...awkward.

I hope this stuff isn't any time soon, because I asked for the Eldar codex for Christmas.

Even if it was true, the timetable wouldn't be until 2013 at the soonest.

ghost21 wrote:All I'll say is that shurikens won't be so bad. They will have other options. And yes: I saw guardians listed with lasblasters, but it could be changed.
I'd honestly expect new figures for the older figures, I've even heard Jain Zar will get an epic model.
Storm guardians? Yes, there will be something for them: a sprue.

I dont believe the exodite bits one bit, but I've been wrong before.

bhsman wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:

bhsman wrote:It doesn't really matter anyways, considering who is providing the rumor.

You do realize that the post you're pointing to actually is a repost from Blood of Kittens, right? Ghost21 is just relaying information. The only discredit to Ghost21 here is that he momentarily believed the monkeys with typewriters over at Blood of Kittens.

Is this a joke?

It must be, BOK was posting rumors months before ghost was, and last I checked (I kept a very careful watch) everything that BOK said would happen did

I believe someone once best put it that Ghost often knows what models GW is working on. But if it's about rules/names/fluff it's best to ignore. Ghost just get at best 3rd hand rumours, and fabricated ones at worst.
=U

In all honesty at this point I trust Blood of Kittens rumours more.
XD

So far the only thing I can think of they got wrong was Sisters. (I seem to remembering them being convinced it would be a full book, and not a WD update.

If ghost21 can post rumours while having proved he is unreliable we should all post rumours, we haven't even proved we're unreliable yet.

Well I spoke to Jes at length in October 2010 regarding Eldar.

He was just wrapping up work on the Dark Eldar range (they were expected to be finished around June 2011) and was keen to take a break for a bit as he had been working solidly for 4-5 years.

However he did say that working on the Dark Eldar had fired him up to start work on some new Eldar models.

However given that he had other projects on the go, and was taking a break I suspect that if Eldar were started it was only relatively recently.

With an average lead time of about 2 years that would put them at the end of 2012, but more likely 2013 at the earliest.

Having said that we know that the new Eldar jet bikes are done, as we saw pics of them some time before the Dark Eldar Reaver jet bikes were done, as the two were modelled on the same concept.

As for the Vampyr, GW have categorically stated that they will no longer be transferring FW models into their range, preferring to create their own models.

Therefore if there is indeed a model called a Vampyr coming out it won't be the same as the FW one.

However all codexes will now feature a model which uses the new flying stand, so expect a flyer of some sort to feature in the Codex.

Jes did say that now plastic technology has advanced enough they can sculpt new kits with 2ups instead of 3ups which means large kits with one piece hulls are now possible where they weren't before. The Dark Eldar Razorwing being one of the first examples.

He also said that they wanted to tie in elements from the Dark Eldar and Eldar lines, so the Venom in some respects is the DE equivalent of the Vyper.

I would imagine Craftworld Eldar will get something similar to the Vyper (a Vyper variant/dual kit), a 5 man open topped transprt which will give them a boost in CC, and this could possibly be what the Vampyr is, but I am leaning towards a flyer of sorts.

He also hinted that 2ups meant a plastic Eldar super heavy was now closer to a possibility.....(not saying they will, just that they could)

Could Exodites be in the new Codex? I have to say I doubt it but then again there does seem to be a bit of retro nostalgia going on right now so who knows?

StraightSilver wrote:Well I spoke to Jes at length in October 2010 regarding Eldar.

He was just wrapping up work on the Dark Eldar range (they were expected to be finished around June 2011) and was keen to take a break for a bit as he had been working solidly for 4-5 years.

However he did say that working on the Dark Eldar had fired him up to start work on some new Eldar models.

However given that he had other projects on the go, and was taking a break I suspect that if Eldar were started it was only relatively recently.

With an average lead time of about 2 years that would put them at the end of 2012, but more likely 2013 at the earliest.

Jes is a sculptor not a rules writer. Even though he was taking a break the Eldar book would have/could have still been in development.

As for the Vampyr, GW have categorically stated that they will no longer be transferring FW models into their range, preferring to create their own models.

I've seen this thrown around before, but I have never seen a source for the claim. Prove it or quit stating it.

Whoa there, no need to be so confrontational.

The Eldar are Jes Goodwin's baby so it is very unlikely that they would be in development without his knowledge.

I also know that model development starts way before the Codex. More often that not the models will dicate what goes into a Codex rather than the other way around, although the Codex will obviously have influence over some of the options.

As an example there are models waiting to be released which were completed more than 18 months ago that are still waiting for a Codex to even start development.

And it is common knowledge to anybody that attended any of the FW seminars this year that GW will no longer be releasing models copied from FW.

This was made quite clear, not saying that won't change but that it was confimed in September this year by FW at UK Games Day. It has also been confirmed by Tony Cottrell since too.

Didn't the 5th Ed IG codex have numerous forgeworld entries like the Valkyrie and Hydra?

We should keep in mind that Jes is an enemy to spilling the beans since his Harlequins leaked early, spoiling his fun. So like Scotty in Startrek, he might not be entirely accurate about how far his work is already done. That said, Eldar not before late 2012 is consistent with current rumours.

BTW the Eldar will certainly get a flyer. Anything larger than the DE flyer makes no sense, noway will they get something like the large Vampire bomber.

StraightSilver wrote:However all codexes will now feature a model which uses the new flying stand, so expect a flyer of some sort to feature in the Codex.

All except Tyranids, who only get a unit but no model

chaos0xomega wrote:Jes is a sculptor not a rules writer. Even though he was taking a break the Eldar book would have/could have still been in development.

1.) Jes was inofficial coauthor of the Dark Eldar book (hidden in the explicit thanks), having written a lot of the background material. And he will again with the Eldar book, because Eldar are his child.
2.) He was joking about being "Eldared out" because he worked on Dark Eldar miniatures for several years. He is the major concept artist and sculptor for the Eldar range plus head of the plastic department. So if he needs a short break from Eldar, Eldar take a break. BTW he was joking about Sororitas models at the same time, so these seem to be his break.
3.) Actually writing the book only takes 6 months. Plastic kits need the longest preparation, about 2 years.

Oh.. so its a more recent development. Nevermind.

Yep, IG got the Valkyrie, but they didn't get the Manticore or the Hydra (they got new GW designs).

This doesn't mean to say we won't see things that FW produce, they just won't be direct copies of FW models (like the Valkyrie or Tau Piranha were). As an example the GW Baneblade was quite different to the FW one.

It is a fairly recent thing, I think it was because there were so many rumours concerning the Tau the wanted to get this into the open.

And I think it is only Space Wolves that didn't get something on a large flying base.

'Nids will get the Harpy on a flying base, but I have no idea when but the early design stages were started over two years ago so this could be another model that is complete but just waiting for release.

And yes he did say he was all Eldared out, but I'm not surprised after having worked so hard on them for 5 years. But it was worth it though.

I thought Eldar were Phil Kellys baby?

Anything Eldar related will always be run past Jes first. He was instrumental in their creation, both in terms of the models and their background.

This isn't to say that the dev team won't have a say in them, but that Jes normally at least get's to give input / feedback first.

It was only because of Jes that we got the new Dark Eldar, and I get the impression he took a big risk pushing that as GW were somewhat reluctant to re release them.

However that risk certainly paid off, so I am sure he will have a lot to say regarding Eldar.

Of course he isn't the only Eldar sculptor, but he is AFAIK always involved at the concept stages.

I find it funny after playing for 18 years to see rumors for units like the exodite dragon riders, and las blaster guardians come full circle and hear people post that it's improbably stupid and would never happen when it already has lol.

The way all the latest rumors are going, just ebay any 2nd edition codex and you will have a good idea on what to post as rumors lol.

"Orks will get this thing called a pulsa rokkit! No way!"

Lockark wrote:So far the only thing I can think of they got wrong was Sisters. (I seem to remembering them being convinced it would be a full book, and not a WD update.

No, BoK released the rumor that Sisters would be a WD update... which is what happened.

Red Corsair wrote:I find it funny after playing for 18 years to see rumors for units like the exodite dragon riders, and las blaster guardians come full circle and hear people post that it's improbably stupid and would never happen when it already has lol.
The way all the latest rumors are going, just ebay any 2nd edition codex and you will have a good idea on what to post as rumors lol.
"Orks will get this thing called a pulsa rokkit! No way!"

LOL, being an old gamer like you I can only agree...
Most of the stuff now being new was conceptionally done during Rogue Trader or 2nd edition.
And the Exodites were in 2nd Ed Eldar Codex.

Anyway if you want to get an idea of the Exodites, feel free to check my Fan-made Exodite Codex for 3rd ed (as mentioned above):
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/codex_exodites.html


Some images:






Alos, Exodites are prominetly featured in the Heresy Novel: Promethean Son

Have FUN!

chaos0xomega wrote:I thought Eldar were Phil Kellys baby?

1.) As said, he wasn't even with GW when Jes created the Eldar look and background.
2.) Rumour has it that he doesn't want to be involved with the next Eldar Codex to not be narrowed down to only Eldar Codices. Instead he is rumoured to make the next Black Templar Codex.