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Castiel wrote:

Durza wrote:

Castiel wrote:BA individual: Sanguinius. He broke one of Khorne's favourite Bloodthirsters over his knee. Beat that.

Horus broke Sanginius

And he needed the help of all four of the Chaos Gods to do it.

Offset by the fact that he did it without taking any damage whatsoever (apart from maybe a tiny chink in his armour).

Durza wrote:
Offset by the fact that he did it without taking any damage whatsoever (apart from maybe a tiny chink in his armour).

Big S didn't really want to fight him after all, he could see the future and he saw that he would die if he goes to him.
Still he went, he made his father proud.

Brother Coa wrote:

Durza wrote:
Offset by the fact that he did it without taking any damage whatsoever (apart from maybe a tiny chink in his armour).

Big S didn't really want to fight him after all, he could see the future and he saw that he would die if he goes to him.
Still he went, he made his father proud.

Who is also "dead." Kinda makes the win hollow.

The sacrifice is important part.

Coa: The IoM will succeed! I believe everything is invincible!
Me: That's 4 Marines from my Splinter Cannon you have to roll saves for, and one is roasted by a Dark Lance.
Coa: How is he dead? He is the most awesome warrior in the gal-
Me: And he just got ripped open by a weapon that can take down a land raider with ease? Shocking...

Double edge sword cause in one fell swoop they lost the emperor and one of the most beloved primarchs so kinda a double edged sword.

BA Race: Humanity
BA individual: Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken

FAIL Race: Eldar (creating a Chaos god)
FAIL Individual: Lorgar (I don't think I need to explain this one)

Hipster Race: Necrons (they've ruled the galaxy before it was cool)

Most Badass Character: DRAIGO!!!
Most Badass Group: GK
Most Badass Race: DA ORKSIES!

Most Fail Character: Girlyman, YOU MUST ALL FOLLOW THIS BOOK EXACTLY OR YOU DIE!
Most Fail Group: Smurfs, all marines want to be smurfs! Sheesh
Most Fail Race: Tau, WE ARE DA FETHING BLUE SKINNED SKINNY PANSIES.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:Coa: The IoM will succeed! I believe everything is invincible!
Me: That's 4 Marines from my Splinter Cannon you have to roll saves for, and one is roasted by a Dark Lance.
Coa: How is he dead? He is the most awesome warrior in the gal-
Me: And he just got ripped open by a weapon that can take down a land raider with ease? Shocking...

Even I know the rules, no need for trolling me.
And for the record: on table it all depends on dice god. Guardsman can kill Daemon Prince in melee if he fail his saves.

Brother Coa wrote:The sacrifice is important part.

The win is the most important part. What is sacrifice without meaning?

Cyrax wrote:
FAIL Individual: Lorgar (I don't think I need to explain this one)

You and I, sir, just fell out. PS, have you read Aurelian? If not, it may change your perspective!

Castiel wrote:

Cyrax wrote:
FAIL Individual: Lorgar (I don't think I need to explain this one)

You and I, sir, just fell out. PS, have you read Aurelian? If not, it may change your perspective!

But he's clearly a failure. He failed to fail.

Durza wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Cyrax wrote:
FAIL Individual: Lorgar (I don't think I need to explain this one)

You and I, sir, just fell out. PS, have you read Aurelian? If not, it may change your perspective!

But he's clearly a failure. He failed to fail.

*Double takes* Say what?

Anymore of this and I'm fetching my Crozius! You shall bow to the majesty of Lorgar!

Most BA Race: Tau - Making friends with neglected Imperial Citizens since the Third Expansion.
Most BA Individual: Aun'shi - Passive/Agressive Monk of BadAssedness

Most Fail Race: Space Marines - We're not running, just tactically withdrawing.
Most Fail Individual: The Emperor - Neglecting to tell his kids about Stranger Dangers.

Castiel wrote:

Durza wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Cyrax wrote:
FAIL Individual: Lorgar (I don't think I need to explain this one)

You and I, sir, just fell out. PS, have you read Aurelian? If not, it may change your perspective!

But he's clearly a failure. He failed to fail.

*Double takes* Say what?

Anymore of this and I'm fetching my Crozius! You shall bow to the majesty of Lorgar!

Think about it. Originally he was viewed as a failure, a weak primarch who wanted to do something besides kill stuff all the time. By becoming as powerful as he did, he failed to fulfil this view, hence failing to fail. The fact that he is full of win has doomed him to eternal failure to fulfil what his brothers expected of him.

Durza wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Durza wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Cyrax wrote:
FAIL Individual: Lorgar (I don't think I need to explain this one)

You and I, sir, just fell out. PS, have you read Aurelian? If not, it may change your perspective!

But he's clearly a failure. He failed to fail.

*Double takes* Say what?

Anymore of this and I'm fetching my Crozius! You shall bow to the majesty of Lorgar!

Think about it. Originally he was viewed as a failure, a weak primarch who wanted to do something besides kill stuff all the time. By becoming as powerful as he did, he failed to fulfil this view, hence failing to fail. The fact that he is full of win has doomed him to eternal failure to fulfil what his brothers expected of him.

You insulted and complimented him at the same time! Is that an insulting compliment, or a complimentary insult?

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:The sacrifice is important part.

The win is the most important part. What is sacrifice without meaning?

His sacrifice shows the Emperor how far Horus fell and that add to the ease to kill him later, even of the big E didn't want to kill him right away.

As for "The win is the most important part. What is sacrifice without meaning?" * cough* Jesus Christ * cough*

Don't bring the bible in this cause not everyone even elieves that stuff..

Just giving an example here for noble sacrifice. But you have a point there.

Another one would be...Pius, Captain Lysander, Dominus Astra...

I'm siding with coa on this one, had sanguinius not fallen to Horus. The emperor would not have known how far Horus had fallen. Making him try to talk to horus instead of just try to kill him. Which would probably had ended up in horus's victory.

If you are talking about heroic sacrifices, you have to mention Ollanius Pius. Yes, he's no longer canon, but still.

Regular, run of the mill Imperial Guardsman pulls a "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" moment on a Chaos-powered Horus. If anything in 40k is BA, that certainly is.

thenoobbomb wrote:
Most badass character: Ka'bandha

Gotta disagree with this, never been impressed by Ka'bandha. After having his spine shattered by Sanguinius and being piledriver'd-from-orbit by the Sanguinor, I wouldn't be surprised if he now rolls around in a wheelchair made of brass and skulls.

daveNYC wrote:The Tau have FTL, just not Imperium grade FTL.

Fail group: The Mechanicum, especially the Explorators. Every story that starts with Explorator X went to Planet Y ends in tears.

I know. When I say "FTL" I mean to say "the same FTL the imperium has". Bad habit.

Brother Coa wrote:

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:The sacrifice is important part.

The win is the most important part. What is sacrifice without meaning?

His sacrifice shows the Emperor how far Horus fell and that add to the ease to kill him later, even of the big E didn't want to kill him right away.

As for "The win is the most important part. What is sacrifice without meaning?" * cough* Jesus Christ * cough*

The Emperor didn't believe how far Horus had fallen until he saw Horus flay someone by looking at them. He would have fought even if Sanguinius hadn't been there.


As for Jesus, he did what he wanted to do. His victory was his sacrifice. I doubt Sanguinius intended to die when he faced Horus.

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:The sacrifice is important part.

The win is the most important part. What is sacrifice without meaning?

His sacrifice shows the Emperor how far Horus fell and that add to the ease to kill him later, even of the big E didn't want to kill him right away.

As for "The win is the most important part. What is sacrifice without meaning?" * cough* Jesus Christ * cough*

The Emperor didn't believe how far Horus had fallen until he saw Horus flay someone by looking at them. He would have fought even if Sanguinius hadn't been there.


As for Jesus, he did what he wanted to do. His victory was his sacrifice. I doubt Sanguinius intended to die when he faced Horus.

He forsaw that hed die if he went there..just sayin he knew it was death for him.

Maybe he was the one primarch who didn't automatically believe every prophecy he saw.

Idk youd have to ask him.. cause all literature points to him knowing.

Evey piece that i'm aware says that he knew he would die, but went willingly, knowing his sacrifice would allow the Emperor th kill Horus.

daveNYC wrote:
Fail group: The Mechanicum, especially the Explorators. Every story that starts with Explorator X went to Planet Y ends in tears.

This. Dear god this. You'd think these guys would have the most impressive technology in the IoM and stomp-face everything they fought.



As for the Sanguinius death being pointless because the Emperor got semi-pwnt anyway...Look at the bigger picture. The IoM WON the fight on Earth and subsequently face-fethed every traitor across the entire galaxy in the purge afterwards.

I'd say his sacrifice was very much worth it.

You really think theyre in a better place now then if they still had Sanguinius? I don't know about that. The Big E didn't need his help vs Horus. It's was just written to make his death seem less useless.Not to mention causing the ba's psychological issues witnessing his death over and over.

Draigo wrote:.Not to mention causing the ba's psychological issues witnessing his death over and over.

Got to love it when the ultimate super human warriors who "Know no Fear" have PSTD.

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BA race: Da Orks
BA group: Adeptus Arbites
Ba Individual Saint Praxedes of Ophelia VII

Most fail group Every day Imperial Citzens
Most fail group Marine Boyz
Most fail Individual The god (yeah right.) Emperor.

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