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infinite_array wrote:
Anyway, let's not allow a single person to derail the thread. Having got into FoW about a year ago, I didn't know that they allowed people to trade in there old v1 books for the mini-v2 books. Did they take them in any condition?

They didn't take them at all. All you had to do is show up at you friendly LGS, show them your V1 book, you then would have your book stamped / stickered (I don't remember wich anymore), and got a free mini-rulebook.

What? Really? That's awesome!

Finger's crossed that they do that again.

Aldramelech wrote:
Don't be such a wan*er sunshine

Im really sorry if they didn't teach you this in your various overpriced colleges in North America, but just because someone has a different opinion to you does not mean they have an attitude problem. But then again you do tend to bomb the sh*t out of anybody who doesn't agree with you dont ya?

No, but calling other people wan*ers does show that you have an atitude problem. Also attacking someone based on their nationality also shows you have an atitude problem (its called xenophobia btw).

I really wonder why people would have a go at someone so nice and well manered as yourself...

Wait, Adramlech says that FoW/BF is headed to a GW mentality, and then states he doesent play 40k.... WTF? Then how would you know lol

W/E man, itas a game about plastic tanks and dewds, chill.

As for the rulebook stamping, I asked the CLGS about it, and in typical fashion, he had no idea what I was talking about, so no news on that front. I'll guess we will see a post on the BF site about it after Christmas as they hope people get hardback rulebooks between now and then!

Matt Varnish wrote:
As for the rulebook stamping, I asked the CLGS about it, and in typical fashion, he had no idea what I was talking about, so no news on that front. I'll guess we will see a post on the BF site about it after Christmas as they hope people get hardback rulebooks between now and then!

Atention, wild speculation following!

The only thing that was "announced" was the Mini Rulebook and it is shown with a 0.00 price, so suposedly that will be the rulebooks that PP will destribute to the V2 Hardback owners...

That is wild speculation, but that was what they did in the V1 -> V2 transition. The free mini-rulebook actually came a few months before the hardback version, so much so that the hardback version ended up with the errata of the mini-rulebook already printed within (this included a rather large change on how Recon teams worked if I remember correctly).

In any case, I have serious doubts that V3 will be released before February / March at the earliest.

You can have my hardback V2 rulebook when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. It's three years old and still has its new book smell. And that's not from lack of use. It was built to last.

olympia wrote:You can have my hardback V2 rulebook when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. It's three years old and still has its new book smell. And that's not from lack of use. It was built to last.

I got mine used - the spine's a bit busted, and someone went through it with a highlighter.

I've been here a while and l like to think I'm a freindly guy, I say nice things about peoples stuff and I provide useful links to people after info, I even put up the occasional bit of news. I don't happen to like BFs corperate attitude and that is my opinion and I am entitled to it, you disagree with me and your entitled to that too.

But being a sarcastic Wan*er, well no, your not entitled to that. I'm fine with my "attitude", I don't feel the need to try and score points off people with snippy little sarcastic posts, but if thats what you need to do to feel good about yourself.......................

I'll leave you all to your "My gaming company right or wrong" forum.

Enough with the rule-breaking personal attacks already. This sort of thing will lead to suspended accounts.

Finally, the level of immaturity was getting annoying.

Anyway, for those that don't know, the mini-rulebook in alliance's catalog was priced at zero dollars. That, and the fact that it was a mini-rulebook pretty much means they'll be doing the same thing they did when they switched from V1 to V2, free V3 mini-rulebook for everyone who has an unstamped V2 full rulebook.

I never bought the full main rulebook, just open fire and Das Book. For as much as I like FoW, I also know there's aspects that could be made better, with some things being made more historical, and other things that could be tweaked a bit more for usability since they chose to include them on the table.

I've got the Hardback rulebook so I hope they do a repeat of the V1 changeover.

There's always room for rule changes in any game. There is no "perfect game" out there. No matter what somebody will find a complaint about a rule. If they even do release a V3 then so be it. I look at it like this. Firstly they probably will do some sort of book exchange. Secondly the rule book and maybe one other book is all you really need to play. You don't need a codex for every army you think you might like to play. If you think about it with the official and free PDF's they offer you could really get by with just the rule book. This was bound to happen. Games that don't evolve are games that are no longer around. When you get down to it this is still one of the less expensive games to play.

MrJody wrote: Secondly the rule book and maybe one other book is all you really need to play. You don't need a codex for every army you think you might like to play. If you think about it with the official and free PDF's they offer you could really get by with just the rule book.

Additionally, you can use Easy Army - you can get all the lists from a book for $1-$2 dollars apiece, and the guy's been officially backed by Battlefront. Sure he doesn't have all the books up, he's got an extensive range, and even has some books (Blitzkrieg, for example) for free.

Well it's officially official. Issue 291 of WI just dropped through my door. Page 64 full page advert for V3 launch.

The advert confirms that as with V2 they will be giving a FREE mini version A5 size 294 pages to all hardback rule book owners (small print advises proof of ownership may be required - presumably to stamp).

The date - FEBRUARY 2012.

And Aldramelech's statements that BF are just like GW and that BF would never again offer a free version of their rules to previous rules owners is spot on... oh wait!

I'm on the verge of getting into the hobby and they're talking about a new version already. I'll buy 2nd edition just to spite them!

Well, it has been six years. They are about do.

This is interesting news! As a fairly new FOW player, I'm hoping that the new version of the rules along with the new Eastern Front books help to re-kindle some interest in the game around my FLGS.

Word on the street is that the website update on Thursday may address v3 in more detail.

Hopefully so, I'm looking forward to seeing what else changes. I have a feeling that all that we've seen may only be the tip of the iceberg. There's probably other more major, and many more subtle changes to the game.

I'm also a bit concerned about the previous books. It hasn't been that long since TT and ES, and those are also major compilations that a lot of people use. Hopefully those will get a good errata document since I suspect there's a lot of things in V3 that I want to use more.

Hi Folks.
I was getting interested in FoW ,(because of my FLGS.)And and was concidering starting.

I shall wait for the new edition...But whats best the Open Fire starter set or the hard back rule book?
I am hoping to start late war British...

Open fire is a better bet right now since you're getting miniatures in it, and just a mini-rulebook which will be obsolete in a few months once 3rd edition comes out.

Right now you can actually go ahead and start buying miniatures. The nice things about historical games is that your company make-up can't really change all that much.

So think of what kind of army you want to play, and go from there.

Might see Medium and Light Armour have more of a decisive battlefield role especially if certain units are able to move and fire at their full ROF rather than 1.

I quite like BF, i like the way the website runs, I like the way they seem to be small and dynamic and not yet a coporate leviathan like GW. I also like the way they have adopted some players out there, like Greg who created Easyarmy.com. GW would have had that shutdown, BF went the opposite direction and brought in house. Admittedly they didn't approve it, but saw the merit in it and avoided destroying the site in order to protect their IP.

Here's to more of the same, and hopefully the Pacific Theatre and a Korean War series too. British Centurion Tanks please!

mwnciboo wrote:Might see Medium and Light Armour have more of a decisive battlefield role especially if certain units are able to move and fire at their full ROF rather than 1.

I quite like BF, i like the way the website runs, I like the way they seem to be small and dynamic and not yet a coporate leviathan like GW. I also like the way they have adopted some players out there, like Greg who created Easyarmy.com. GW would have had that shutdown, BF went the opposite direction and brought in house. Admittedly they didn't approve it, but saw the merit in it and avoided destroying the site in order to protect their IP.

Here's to more of the same, and hopefully the Pacific Theatre and a Korean War series too. British Centurion Tanks please!

I don't think the will release Pacific theater/Korea in this edition. But, they might set the ground work for it. Also do you think that they might go the way of Infinity and work on the I go, You go system?

Makarov wrote: Also do you think that they might go the way of Infinity and work on the I go, You go system?

No.

That would be a complete rewrite of the FoW rules and V3 just isn't that. Its a consolidation of what exists and some reworking of stuff that BF thinks that doesn't work that well currently (airplanes, for instance).

If you wan't an historical system that works on pretty much the same mechanic as Infinity, then I urge you to look up Force on Force by Ambush Alley / Osprey. It is a brilliant rules system that I'm guessing is only behind FoW on popularity in the historical community right now and they are talking about releasing a WWII supplement sometime this year.

I would second Ambush Alley. Much better system. You can adapt WW2 to it quite easily. Broad enough to cover all timeframe, even use your old 40k models with Tomorrows War.

Since I hadn't seen it show up as actually confirmed yet, here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_WRPM9pY3dA

Didn't watch the video? BF will do the same thing they did with v1, in other words, show up to your FLGS with a copy of your v2 hardback, they'll slap a sticker on it and then hand you a free v3 mini-rulebook. Don't have a FLGS? BF says that they'll work with you to get owners of hardback v2 rules a free copy of the v3 rulebook. They have already stated that all army lists will remain legal and that they're not going to invalidate any units.

PhantomViper wrote:

Well it's officially official. Issue 291 of WI just dropped through my door. Page 64 full page advert for V3 launch.

The advert confirms that as with V2 they will be giving a FREE mini version A5 size 294 pages to all hardback rule book owners (small print advises proof of ownership may be required - presumably to stamp).

The date - FEBRUARY 2012.

And Aldramelech's statements that BF are just like GW and that BF would never again offer a free version of their rules to previous rules owners is spot on... oh wait!

And if you had read the "Flames of war V3 announcement video" thread you would have seen me freely admit my fault, was there any need for this snide little remark at all?

But that's OK, you could have been grown up and mature about it but that is clearly beyond you.......................

Aldramelech wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

Well it's officially official. Issue 291 of WI just dropped through my door. Page 64 full page advert for V3 launch.

The advert confirms that as with V2 they will be giving a FREE mini version A5 size 294 pages to all hardback rule book owners (small print advises proof of ownership may be required - presumably to stamp).

The date - FEBRUARY 2012.

And Aldramelech's statements that BF are just like GW and that BF would never again offer a free version of their rules to previous rules owners is spot on... oh wait!

And if you had read the "Flames of war V3 announcement video" thread you would have seen me freely admit my fault, was there any need for this snide little remark at all?

But that's OK, you could have been grown up and mature about it but that is clearly beyond you.......................

Check the post dates next time, my post was made 5 days BEFORE you posted on the "Flames of war V3 announcement video". I wouldn't have made it if I had read your post before, obviously.

The V2 to V3 will not be a trade-in like you'd do with a used car. You just get a sticker in your hardback V2 and get to keep it along with your new mini V3 rulebook. At least that is my understanding of it. Battlefront wouldn't want to bother with recycling all those hardbacks.

olympia wrote:The V2 to V3 will not be a trade-in like you'd do with a used car. You just get a sticker in your hardback V2 and get to keep it along with your new mini V3 rulebook. At least that is my understanding of it. Battlefront wouldn't want to bother with recycling all those hardbacks.

So I get to keep my old rule book, and get a new one. Sweet!