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katfude wrote:

Boneblade wrote:

katfude wrote:Quantum Shielding speficially states that "Until the vehicle suffers a penetrating hit..."

If I pass my cover save and no damage is done, I'm not really suffering, right? Shields up, yo. It's common sense... You "hit" me, but due to a bunch of debris, walls or obscuring foliage, you really didn't hit me or my shield that, by fluff's definition in the entry above the rules, "exists only at the moment of deflection - at all other times there is no indication of its presence."

BRB pg. 62: "If the target is obscured and suffers a glancing or penetrating hit, it may take a cover save against it.."


I very much wish to believe that a successful cover save = shields up, but I don't expect this will hold water in any competitive game unless a FAQ comes out to say otherwise.

Suffer, page 2845, dictionary: . Experience or be subjected to (something bad or unpleasant). 2. Be affected by or subject to (an illness or ailment).

Just kidding! Based on the Brb I would say that the shield is down until we get an FAQ staying otherwise.

The second definition of "suffer" you quoted is your down fall. If a model makes a save it does not suffer a wound, or, to use the definition you provided, it didn't suffer from the hit. Page 62 uses both definitions, curiously. Here, suffer does indeed mean experience, in other words the vehicle is hit with with by a glancing/penetrating blow. However, a cover save is provided for obscured vehicles and if successful save against the blow thus NOT suffering from the glancing/penetrating hit.

A vehicle only truly suffers a glancing/penetrating hit when it has to roll on the penetration table. There is no conflict with the rules thus no need to d6 a dispute.

I was trolling, ( ) dictionary definitions don't override order of operations in the BRB or codicies.

Based STRICTLY on the wording of the rulebook and the wording of the codex, a pen is suffered when it hits, which, since it is at that point suffered, removes the shield. I may now, per the BRB, take a cover save to get rid of the shot.

Again: according to the BRB, I suffered the hit and now, I may take my cover save, but since I've suffered it, shields down.

They should definitely FAQ this one.

katfude wrote:Again: according to the BRB, I suffered the hit and now, I may take my cover save, but since I've suffered it, shields down.

They should definitely FAQ this one.

But the save discards the hit. If you drop the shields, you're suffering from the hit.

Yes, it needs a FAQ.

This is the same issue that's interconnected with a couple others in the Necron dex: Entropic Strike and Symbiotic Repair.


Either:

1) Entropic Strike still takes effect even if the model made a FnP roll

2) CCBs cannot use Symbiotic Repair to save themselves from being wrecked if they are immobilized while moving flat out

3) Quantum Shielding is lost to a penetrating hit even if a save is made.

Or...

1) Entropic Strike is negated by FnP

2) Symbiotic Repair functions just fine in keeping CCB from becoming scrap metal if immobilized while running flat out.

3) Quantum Shielding is kept if a save is made against the hit.


There are some other arguments that can be brought to bear in a couple of these cases, but I feel they are more grasping at straws than anything.

[thedude] Anyway that's just like, my opinion man. [/thedude]

In the old 2009 Necron FAQ, the Particle Whip was measured from any of the weapons (the flux arcs) on the Monolith.

I imagine that will stay the same, but until it's FAQ'd again, it's up to interpretation. Clear it with your opponent before the match starts.