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Jidmah wrote:Maybe someone could quote the exact rules of both everyliving and Thawn? If they are worded the same, they work the same.

Thrawn's rule says that every time he's removed as a casualty, you leave a counter in place to mark where he 'died'. In subsequent turns you roll to bring him back within 1" of the counter with 1 wound (his 1 wound restored).

Ever-living says when a model with the rule is removed as a casualty, place a counter where it was removed. At the end of the phase, roll to bring it back within 3" of the counter with 1 wound.

The difference is that if you fail to roll high enough for Thrawn the counter still remains and you roll again each subsequent turn, but with the necrons, if you fail the roll the counter is removed.

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ToBeWilly wrote:From the Dark Elder FAQ:

Q: When does a unit with Power from Pain gain a pain
token for destroying a model/unit with the ability to
return to play. For example a Necron with the We’ll be
Back special rule. (p25)
A: The model/unit must be completely destroyed so the
unit will only gain a pain token once the model/unit is
completely removed from play. In the case of a
Necron unit, a pain token will be generated once a unit
has been destroyed (even if some of its models have
returned into other nearby units).

Necrons can no longer return to other units, but that pretty much answers your question.

Thanks for the clarification. I was definitely wrong on this one.

-Yad.

time wizard wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Maybe someone could quote the exact rules of both everyliving and Thawn? If they are worded the same, they work the same.

Thrawn's rule says that every time he's removed as a casualty, you leave a counter in place to mark where he 'died'. In subsequent turns you roll to bring him back within 1" of the counter with 1 wound (his 1 wound restored).

Ever-living says when a model with the rule is removed as a casualty, place a counter where it was removed. At the end of the phase, roll to bring it back within 3" of the counter with 1 wound.

The difference is that if you fail to roll high enough for Thrawn the counter still remains and you roll again each subsequent turn, but with the necrons, if you fail the roll the counter is removed.

So no difference for the Pain Tokens to care about. So Galador and you are right.

Thrawn's "I shall not yield" is more complex rule than EL if you take into account that the character himself is a lot more complex than an overlord. He starts as an upgrade character and he ends up as a single model unit. So his FAQ concerns only him.

This faq:
Q: When does a unit with Power from Pain gain a pain
token for destroying a model/unit with the ability to
return to play. For example a Necron with the We’ll be
Back special rule. (p25)
A: The model/unit must be completely destroyed so the
unit will only gain a pain token once the model/unit is
completely removed from play. In the case of a
Necron unit, a pain token will be generated once a unit
has been destroyed (even if some of its models have
returned into other nearby units).

is more generic and it concerns all models with an ability to return to play such as Necrons and StC, with Thawn being the exception.