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DeathReaper wrote:But how many of those were Unsaved Wounds?

Just one.

This. Instant death itself is triggered by unsaved wounds(BRB pg. 26). If instant death would cause unsaved wounds again, any instant death would create a cascade of new instant deathes, instantly wiping out any unit consisting of identical multiple wound models.

That would be a pretty good band name though. 'Cascade of Instant Death'

Jidmah wrote:
If instant death would cause unsaved wounds again, any instant death would create a cascade of new instant deathes, instantly wiping out any unit consisting of identical multiple wound models.

This...... makes no sense at all.

ID to Guardsmen would only give a single wound for Talons, the same as the amount of wounds the Guardsmen have.

Dammit, now I have straw all over me!

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Jidmah wrote:
If instant death would cause unsaved wounds again, any instant death would create a cascade of new instant deathes, instantly wiping out any unit consisting of identical multiple wound models.

This...... makes no sense at all.

ID to Guardsmen would only give a single wound for Talons, the same as the amount of wounds the Guardsmen have.

Dammit, now I have straw all over me!

Original quote is bolded for emphasis. identical multiple wound models.

Ah, yeah missed that one. It still doesn't mean that's not how it works. Just because something is effective doesn't mean it's against the rules. Look at codex: Grey Knights!

Even if all three wounds from inflicting Instant Death on a scarab base count, it's still three attacks.

Yep each unsaved wound - ID has nothing to do with it - thats an effect after checking who was wounded and failed a save.

So, the consensus is that a Dreadnought with Blood Talons that lands a single unsaved wound on a Scarab base A.) causes instant death to the scarab base, B.) Gets one additional attack, and C.) counts has having caused 3 wounds to check winners for the assault - yes?

Mannahnin wrote:Even if all three wounds from inflicting Instant Death on a scarab base count, it's still three attacks.

By your interpretation, if you get three additional attacks, you would also trigger instant death again three times, killing another three swarm bases, who would then trigger instant death nine times, wiping out the entire scarab unit. You would ever be able to use those attacks.

The trigger for instant death is identical to the trigger of those extra attacks, pretty much a dead give away that you do not cause unsaved wounds (which is not identical to Wounds lost) with instant death. See BRB pg. 26.



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Ouze wrote:So, the consensus is that a Dreadnought with Blood Talons that lands a single unsaved wound on a Scarab base A.) causes instant death to the scarab base, B.) Gets one additional attack, and C.) counts has having caused 3 wounds to check winners for the assault - yes?

Correct.


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SlaveToDorkness wrote:Ah, yeah missed that one. It still doesn't mean that's not how it works. Just because something is effective doesn't mean it's against the rules. Look at codex: Grey Knights!

So a single rokkit kills an entire brood of warriors? A single S10 shot kills an entire unit of ogryns? S6 kills an entire squad of heavy weapon teams? Just have a look at any battle report written ever and be proven wrong.

Wow, blood talons are really good against scarabs then. I have no idea which way this arguement is going, I need some FAQ final answer.

I dont play blood talons but I do dabble in Necrons so now I know what to look out for..

I wouldnt throw scarabs at furioso anyways, seems like they will all die if it was 1 extra attack or 3 extra attacks

The Dreadnought gets 1 extra attack. It CAUSED one unsaved wound; ie it scored one hit, which was then converted into a wound and not saved. The fact that the scarab base SUFFERED 3 wounds is a different issue, and irrelevant for the purposes of counting up the extra attacks you get from the Blood Talons.

A Blood Angel dreadnaught with Blood Talons will most likely wipe out an entire swarm of scarabs during the first round of assault unless you roll very poorly. So it's most of the time not something that's going to matter.

A wound is inflicted. This wound causes the scarab two loose 2 more wounds. The first wound inflicted was caused by the Dreadnought. Therefore the 2nd and 3rd wounds were also caused by the Dreadnought. All these wounds are unsavable. Each unsaved wound generates an extra attack 3 unsaved wounds were caused by the dreadnought. This results in 3 extra attacks being generated.

No.
One wound was inflicted. That wound causes Instant Death.
For the purposes of combat resolution, that Instant Death is counted as 3 wounds.

Well isn't deciding how many attacks he gets a type of combat resolution. You are resolving how many attacks he is getting in combat. Therefore for this combat resolution makes that insta death wound class as 3 wounds. 3 wounds that were not saved.

redkeyboard wrote:Well isn't deciding how many attacks he gets a type of combat resolution. You are resolving how many attacks he is getting in combat. Therefore for this combat resolution makes that insta death wound class as 3 wounds. 3 wounds that were not saved.

No. Combat resolution is an actual step that you have to reach after all initiative steps have been completed.

Here is how I read it.
Dread gets 4 attacks
4 hit
4 wound
THEN don't they take a save?
THEN X wounds go "unsaved" and you get X bonus attacks.
Am I right?

tetrisphreak wrote:Only 1. The dread caused 1 unsaved wound that was sufficient to cause instant death. During combat resolution, the wounds caused will count as 3 each, but as far as the blood talon dreadnought's special rules go it can only generate one attack for each unsaved wound.

I support this

Sopoko wrote:Here is how I read it.
Dread gets 4 attacks
4 hit
4 wound
THEN don't they take a save?
THEN X wounds go "unsaved" and you get X bonus attacks.
Am I right?

You are. Instant death never causes wounds.