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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Hopefully, if GW ever decides to advance the plot (face it, they'll have to.

The plot hasn't moved forward more than a few inches in twenty years, lol. I'm fairly sure it's in no hurry to leave the station. There's a whole galaxy full of battles to be fought.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Hopefully, if GW ever decides to advance the plot (face it, they'll have to.

The plot hasn't moved forward more than a few inches in twenty years, lol. I'm fairly sure it's in no hurry to leave the station. There's a whole galaxy full of battles to be fought.

Nah, they'll just retcon everything and then completely change the story line, like the Emperor fell to chaos and it was only through the sacrifice of Horus that humanity still exists.

King Pariah wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Hopefully, if GW ever decides to advance the plot (face it, they'll have to.

The plot hasn't moved forward more than a few inches in twenty years, lol. I'm fairly sure it's in no hurry to leave the station. There's a whole galaxy full of battles to be fought.

Nah, they'll just retcon everything and then completely change the story line, like the Emperor fell to chaos and it was only through the sacrifice of Horus that humanity still exists.

If that were to happen, the sheer amount of nerd rage would create a new chaos god.

I don’t think it would be hard for them to come up with an expansion with a few alien army lists; they did the same thing for fantasy a few years ago with Storm of Chaos, and eye of Terror for 40K. This year alone has seen two expansions for fantasy Storm of Magic and Blood in the Badlands. An alien/great crusade book would be way better then a new apocalypse book or another city fight, how many times do they have to beat that horse. The more I think on it I feel that it is just a lack of imagination from the design studio guys. Honestly there are 5 marine codexes 6 if you count CM and only 7 aliens how dull is that? How many steroid pumped Dolph Lundgren clones in power armour do you need, boring? If GW’s design studio is unwilling to do it they should let forge world do it those guys are good at original ideas.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

King Pariah wrote:If that were to happen, the sheer amount of nerd rage would create a new chaos god.

NEHK'BEIR'T, CHAOS GOD OF NERDINESS

Too many armies and 40k would probably be too much, in my opinion. Perhaps GW could release a codex for aliens, like a real basic one that really allows players to go down certain paths. E.g. Troops = Alien with BS2 who can have BS4 with upgrade, etc, so in the end the whole army can be seriously rendered to your choice. And the aliens can be whatever you like, like LittleBigPlanet sackboys
I've always liked the idea of an elemental army (like air, wind, fire, etc) although that would probably fit into Fantasy better.

Hopefully, if GW ever decides to advance the plot (face it, they'll have to. No one likes playing the same story over and over again, and if they want to keep ahead they will need to bring something new eventually), we'll see some new alien races.

The plot has never advanced.

Remember Armageddon? Supposed to determine the fate of a planet and possibly the Imperium. The greatest producer of Chimera hulls in the galaxy...

51% to 49% stalemate.

Same with EoT campaign and Medusa.

The story can not move forward... otherwise we'd be playing 41k.

Eldar kin are also exodites and harlies. Although, an exodites codex would be nice. See http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php?board=44.0

DeffDred wrote:

Hopefully, if GW ever decides to advance the plot (face it, they'll have to. No one likes playing the same story over and over again, and if they want to keep ahead they will need to bring something new eventually), we'll see some new alien races.

The plot has never advanced.

Remember Armageddon? Supposed to determine the fate of a planet and possibly the Imperium. The greatest producer of Chimera hulls in the galaxy...

51% to 49% stalemate.

Same with EoT campaign and Medusa.

The story can not move forward... otherwise we'd be playing 41k.

It damn well better move forward. As much as I like this whole "time-stops at 999.M40" thing, it's really getting old.

The problem is that GW is so fearful of losing sales that they are hesitant make any side come out in a large victory over the other, or advance the story, in case it goes in a direction people do not like. You can play Warhammer 40,000 because it is still 40,000 years in the future (well, actually only 38,000).

In my opinion, it has nothing to do with "playing 41k" or anything like that and everything to do with potential loss of sales, which makes GW freak out and raise prices. This isn't a "How GW could lower prices" thread, so I'll stop there.

On topic: Aliens, yes. Many aliens. Many. I would love to see some new ones at least brought up in the new edition. The new Tau codex is rumored to have a new auxiliary species, so that will be interesting.

I'd be pleased to see more variant army lists (Traitor Guard, Chaos Cults, Genestealer Cults, etc.) but I struggle to really think of any new xenos race concepts which would be radically different, in terms of fluff and gameplay, from those extant.

Rochronos wrote:Slann (Old Ones)=Lizards in space

Actually *frogs* in space. Lizards didn't come until, what was it, 5th edition fantasy??

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English Assassin wrote:I'd be pleased to see more variant army lists (Traitor Guard, Chaos Cults, Genestealer Cults, etc.) but I struggle to really think of any new xenos race concepts which would be radically different, in terms of fluff and gameplay, from those extant.

You could probably represent just about any kind of race you wanted if the minis were available, but that is the problem. Though I would love to see an IG counts as list made up of Fantasy dwarf plastics or skaven plastics. I've considered doing something like that myself too. Still considering the necron army made from fantasy Tomb Kings minis instead...hrm...sorry getting off topic now. Hahahahahahah!

Skirker

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

King Pariah wrote:If that were to happen, the sheer amount of nerd rage would create a new chaos god.

NEHK'BEIR'T, CHAOS GOD OF NERDINESS

+1

That made me chuckle

Why is this quote messed up?

Skriker wrote:Still considering the necron army made from fantasy Tomb Kings minis instead...hrm...sorry getting off topic now. Hahahahahahah!

Careful what you wish for... too late.

Honestly I think the Necrons started off Vampire Counts then Ward made them Tomb Kings. They were never meant to be Tomb Kings in space. They fit the Vampires much more. Sinister, scheming, unwitting slaves to parasitic vampiric creatures. Ward introduced Egypt, Honor, independence, respect, nobility to them to make them tomb kings.

Whether they're space-Vampires or space-Tomb Kings, the Necrons (three different backstories and still rubbish) are a telling example of the pitfalls which await attempts to introduce new armies to Warhammer 40,000.

Correction- the pitfalls of lazy-ass attempts. Look at the new DE dex for an example of a pretty well-done reintroduction of a race. If they had been a new race it would have been a good introduction of a race to the setting

They didn't have to be Tomb Kings in Space. It kindo kills them for me.

I likes the Terminator goes Cthullu vibe of the previous codex, though i could have done without the Egypt association and with a bit more fluff.

Frankly I some other factions feeling a tad forced too, with not-so-great fluff and lousy execution. That's 40k, these days..

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
I have been playing 40K for over 15 years now and it has always bothered me that there are so few aliens. Does it bother anyone else that in the vastness of the intergalactic future there is really only 7 races represented as playable armies? The way I see it there is Humans (IG & SoB), Marines (good & bad), Tau, Eldar (Dark & Light), Necrons, daemons and bugs. We lost squats, but really they started as human anyway. I just think it is really sad that I have seen more aliens in one episode of Star Trek than GW can cram into a game in that has spanned nearly 30 years. Would you guys like to see more races or do you prefer things the way they are?

no it's good. they could even do away with a few to give extra attention to the ones that they decide to keep. make them more special, interesting and with more balanced rules.

kb305 wrote:no it's good. they could even do away with a few to give extra attention to the ones that they decide to keep. make them more special, interesting and with more balanced rules.

I think we will not see any balance as long as the studio team keeps letting Mr Ward (Space Marine Fan Boy) write most of the books.

GW cannot update their current number of armies in a reasonable fashion so I do not want time spent on any new armies. On the other side, if GW would put out detailed errata/FAQ for each army every new edition so that the army works with the new edition and to correct problems with their rules/units because of mistakes/poor design, and then continue to update the FAQ/errata at reasonable intervals (say 6 months) to keep on top of the game so that each army is still decent (with pretty much all units/rules useable) than I would be fine with a new army. I wont hold my breath.

Harriticus wrote:Honestly I think the Necrons started off Vampire Counts then Ward made them Tomb Kings. They were never meant to be Tomb Kings in space. They fit the Vampires much more. Sinister, scheming, unwitting slaves to parasitic vampiric creatures. Ward introduced Egypt, Honor, independence, respect, nobility to them to make them tomb kings.

Egypt was there in the old codex and in Battlefleet Gothic which is well before Ward got ahold of them. The Monolith is a big flaoting pyramid with symbols on them reminiscent of Egypt. Even the Necron crusiers had big pyramids on them.

Ascalam wrote:Correction- the pitfalls of lazy-ass attempts. Look at the new DE dex for an example of a pretty well-done reintroduction of a race. If they had been a new race it would have been a good introduction of a race to the setting

The Dark Eldar are indeed an example of how to do it well. The studio identified a niche in the extant fluff, and the went back to the setting's classic source material - in this instance Michael Moorcock and Metal Hurlant - for the details.

Ascalam wrote:They didn't have to be Tomb Kings in Space. It kindo kills them for me.

I likes the Terminator goes Cthullu vibe of the previous codex, though i could have done without the Egypt association and with a bit more fluff.

Frankly I some other factions feeling a tad forced too, with not-so-great fluff and lousy execution. That's 40k, these days..

I thought the previous fluff was also pretty dire, but otherwise I agree.

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:I think we will not see any balance as long as the studio team keeps letting Mr Ward (Space Marine Fan Boy) write most of the books.

Yes, why examine the question when we can blame the spurious secret agenda of a convenient hate-figure!

Go on then, dream up a playable xenos faction which is both original, distinct in fluff, rules and appearance from what is already extant, fits the tone and atmosphere of the setting, and has enough of a 'hook' to draw in new players.

There is an enormous gulf between the number of aliens and the number of intelligent aliens capable of intragalactic warfare.

English Assassin wrote:Go on then, dream up a playable xenos faction which is both original, distinct in fluff, rules and appearance from what is already extant, fits the tone and atmosphere of the setting, and has enough of a 'hook' to draw in new players.

I would, but GW goons get paid to do that. GW sells a product, I am a customer of that product and there for have a right to express my dissatisfaction that in over 20 years of the game they have done very little but make more and more super marine armies, it gets old.

I'm sorry, but when you say "Oh, I'm sure there are innumerable niches for xenos to fill, I just can't be bothered to think of one.", your argument starts to look more like directionless whining than a serious critique.

Compliant and 'peaceful' (IE non-threat//exploitable) have no bearing to be named.

Anything else has been eradicated and purged from the Imperium.

In the ever expanding vastness of space there is certainly room for more than 7 war faring races. The imperium has taken over a good portion of the galaxy, but certainly not all of it. There are also large regions that they have not even explored yet, and in that GW has plenty of room to give more variety to the game. I certainly feel that more variety and less of the same old would make the game more interesting and bring more people into the hobby.

Walt Disney once said that “Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left”

That being said it appears that the world of 40k must complete due to the fact that GW, with the small exception of Tau, has not grown the story or the 40K universe in 25 years. This is a said testament to a universe with so much potential. Hundreds if not thousands of fans over the years have developed new races through fandexes, yet the company has given very little in realm of new and imaginative. With each edition they redo the same old races over and over again until the codex creep starts and sales begin to drop off. Instead of giving the fans something new to wet the appetite the revamp the main rule book in a vain effort to raise sales and start the whole process over again. Truly there is very little if any imagination left in the 40K design studio. They do not grow, they do not expand simply re-release the same stuff over again.

kb305 wrote:No it's good. they could even do away with a few to give extra attention to the ones that they decide to keep. make them more special, interesting and with more balanced rules.

I think they would have to hire some people who knew how to write balanced rules before they could do that...

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Ventus wrote:GW cannot update their current number of armies in a reasonable fashion so I do not want time spent on any new armies. On the other side, if GW would put out detailed errata/FAQ for each army every new edition so that the army works with the new edition and to correct problems with their rules/units because of mistakes/poor design, and then continue to update the FAQ/errata at reasonable intervals (say 6 months) to keep on top of the game so that each army is still decent (with pretty much all units/rules useable) than I would be fine with a new army. I wont hold my breath.

The reason they can't update them quickly is because they seem to feel they need to completely recreate their existing armies every time. These lists should be mean and lean by now with every force having so many different options it would make your head spin. Instead of driving the cart further ahead when they release a new codex, though, they have to reinvent the wheels to put on the the wagon first and we don't really go anywhere.

Skriker

Skriker wrote:
The reason they can't update them quickly is because they seem to feel they need to completely recreate their existing armies every time. These lists should be mean and lean by now with every force having so many different options it would make your head spin. Instead of driving the cart further ahead when they release a new codex, though, they have to reinvent the wheels to put on the the wagon first and we don't really go anywhere.

Second that

Well, they could update codices really quickly if Mr Ward did them all. of course he refuses to do Xenos Scum and there would be enough nerd rage to create a new EoT.

But you do have to admit that he works fast.

Not hard to work fast when you can't write for crap, and don't need to check existing fluff to make sure your new book fits in with it