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**th3maninblak**

Jihallah wrote:
schadenfreude wrote:SLD took a hit. Lesser deamons are not used by many players, even less so now.

No, they didn't. Did you read my post? where I point out the pages where you can confirm SLD's did not take a hit? Or even the wording in the FAQ?

th3maninblak wrote:
Castiel wrote:I will play the same way as before. Without Lash princes or warptime.

It isn't the only way to play, there are other viable lists.

So you don't win very much?

HE DOESN'T TAKE LASH, WARPTIME, PLAGUE MARINES OR OBLITS! HERETIC! PURGE THE HERETIC!

Unless your playing in tournaments and competitions, there are plenty of viable CSM lists. As long as your not a chump when it comes to tactics

DarkHound wrote:
schadenfreude wrote:SLD took a hit. Lesser deamons are not used by many players, even less so now.
This was just because 'units must contain entirely Obliterators or models in Terminator armor' right? Nothing specifically mentioning SLDs, right? Otherwise they still won't scatter. I'm genuinely asking, since SLDs are a lynch pin of my army.

>< Page 81/61! CSM codex! Has the information you need!
In Short- No, SLD's have not been nerfed.

Ailaros wrote:I'm glad they fixed warptime. People who were using the rule the other way were just being cheaty, and, in the very least missing RAI. I mean, you could give your DP +1 attack, or for only 5 points more you could give him both preferred enemy AND lightning claw rules? Yeah, right. Why they didn't clamp down on this earlier is beyond me. Likewise, that it took so long to resolve dreads is kind of sad...

It's really quite sad about the dreads. But I don't think they fixed warptime (actually considering how good it was, I think 25p is only adequate for the sorc. I think the DP should have been 30p at least), they nerfed it into the ground. 25p for a mulligan. It's really not worth the points.

timetowaste85 wrote:Where are you guys getting the info for SLDs sucking? The codex says that they do not scatter-what the FAQ is fixing is INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS in units of Obliterators and Terminators don't benefit from the Icon unless they are in termi or oblit armor. SLDs are unaffected by the FAQ. SLDs are the same as they ever were. It means a lord with wings can't use an icon to fly into if he is in a unit of terminators-that's all. No other change than that.
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Missed the part where I apologized?

The thing is, I DID play Lash/Warptime with Oblits and Plague Marines. I was starting to get into the tourny scene, and wanted to take CSM to adepticon. Not happening now. I'm in the process of trying to find a different HQ combo...

**Jihallah**

th3maninblak wrote:

Missed the part where I apologized?

The thing is, I DID play Lash/Warptime with Oblits and Plague Marines. I was starting to get into the tourny scene, and wanted to take CSM to adepticon. Not happening now. I'm in the process of trying to find a different HQ combo...

Nope. You missed the part where you realize that not everyone plays 40k in competitions and tournaments, and some of us just play with friends/locals. So you shouldn't assume that we're all looking for a list to take to the next tournament that's going to stomp every other list out there- most of us just want a list that has a good chance of not always losing

**th3maninblak**

I'm just really miffed about wasting the time, effort, and money on an army that is now unplayable in a competitive sense. For casual play against other casual gamers, it's fine.

**biccat**

th3maninblak wrote:I'm just really miffed about wasting the time, effort, and money on an army that is now unplayable in a competitive sense. For casual play against other casual gamers, it's fine.

If you wanted a competitive army, why on earth would you buy Chaos in the first place?

**th3maninblak**

biccat wrote:
th3maninblak wrote:I'm just really miffed about wasting the time, effort, and money on an army that is now unplayable in a competitive sense. For casual play against other casual gamers, it's fine.

If you wanted a competitive army, why on earth would you buy Chaos in the first place?

I bought it as my first army, and worked with it alot to try and make it competitive. I play that and Vanilla marines, and honestly my CSM always felt stronger.

**biccat**

th3maninblak wrote:
biccat wrote:
th3maninblak wrote:I'm just really miffed about wasting the time, effort, and money on an army that is now unplayable in a competitive sense. For casual play against other casual gamers, it's fine.

If you wanted a competitive army, why on earth would you buy Chaos in the first place?

I bought it as my first army, and worked with it alot to try and make it competitive. I play that and Vanilla marines, and honestly my CSM always felt stronger.

Well that makes sense. I thought you had bought CSM as a competitive army.