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2012/01/25 22:26:42
Subject: Re:--== Joey's Wood Elf Army Documentary ==--
Firstly, epic jumper. You should make that a theme. And a title sequence? How posh!
On topic: Well done on your latest paint job! It's looking good. Don't worry about blending just yet, it's an advanced technique you can pick up later, i can't stress enough that you should start relatively simple until your well practiced in the basics.
White primer might be a good idea if you want the whole model to be brighter. Also, it doesn't look to be the case but if your paint is too thick it won't matter what is underneath it. Keep your paints thin and do as many layers as you have the patience for. It might seem counter intuitive but multiple, very thin layers of the same colour will give you a nice solid layer at the end and you can fine tune how much the colour underneath will effect this one. Don't be surprised if the first layers are blotchy and patchy, as long as the paint isn't running into the details like a wash then it's going fine. If your favouring a black primer and you want to paint a pale area like face then lots of layers and time is your friend, stick with it and it will come together.
If i can figure out how to upload files for you to download(Never done that before. Rapidshare?) then i'll send you links for some painting tutorials. I have one on faces/eyes i believe. That should be of interest to you.
As for naming your spellweaver. Hmmm... Got it. Kira Sakura - That's my entry. Kira after the coolest female 'elf' of all time and Sakura from the cherry blossom.
P.S. Gratz on the second page of your blog!
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Nice name suggestion!!
Yeah the face is a work in progress in two weeks she'll look like Megan fox!!
Layering is my current preference- I'll give blending a go with the horses- but I'm going to be planning what I want in my 1000 point army next video rather than just have a load of painting ones.
Didn't realise how many options I have for the army though- kind of want to go to 1500p so I can get a tree man
Hey, nice new video - the production values have improved I'm expecting special effects next time haha.
Your slinger looks good and will fit in nice with your tree guys. I have to agree you have had a bit of a mare with the face.
For a simple method for elf faces I would try-
White undercoat - base coat of elf flesh, - when dry give it a wash of a 50/50 mix of water and devlan mud, let the wash do the work for u! - when dry rework the raised areas of the face with first elf flesh then finally 50/50 mix of skull white and elf flesh.
Name? Embrace your efforts, - Joannos Riveros ......very elfy.
Don't be put off - faces are one of the harder things to get right.
A tip I found with red is if you are going bright red you can use vomit brown to highlight (this shocked me quite a bit but it really does work)
Regarding faces, I basically started my army with all helms, I was never good at faces at all. Now as this was your first face you've painted I believe you might be a bit harsh on yourself, I'm pretty sure that there has been no one who has been perfect the first time they tried something. so hopefully this may help with painting faces/skin. With elf flesh I would change out dwarf for elf and just add progressively more white to the mix
Spoiler:
First Stage, base face with Tallarn Flesh and give the face a good bath of Ogryn Flesh wash. The aim here is to have the wash pool in the sunken sections
Second Stage: this is just a strait dwarf flesh layer (plenty of water) focusing on leaving recess with the Ogryn wash showing, areas such as around the eyes, around the forehead area, bits beside the mouth and little bits on the nose.
Third Stage: this is a 50/50 mix of Dwarf Flesh and Elf Flesh, this stage is aimed at raising the lightness of areas where the sun would hit, so cheek bones, top of the head, bridge of the nose, eye brow region , lips, chin, the aim here is to have the first layer not totally covered up by the new mix.
Fourth Stage: This stage is just pure elf flesh, The aim here is to paint raised edges where the sun would hit it the most. This includes areas such as top of the head, bridge of the nose, eye brows and cheeks.
Fifth Stage: Eyes were done at this point, using a 000 brush I did the white of the eyes. Then with the same 000 brush for the pupil of the eye.
Hopefully this is a bit easier to see with the cropped pic's
Regarding your challenge, I'm absolutely terrible with names, but will give it a shot anyway. How about Clarissa Lightmourne or Amber Sunwave. Terrible names I know but it's worth a shot.
IceAngel wrote:I must say Knightley, I am very envious of your squiggle ability. I mean, if squiggles were a tactical squad, you'd be the sergeant. If squiggles were an HQ, you'd be the special character. If squiggles were a way of life, you'd be Doctor Phil...
A tip I found with red is if you are going bright red you can use vomit brown to highlight (this shocked me quite a bit but it really does work)
Regarding faces, I basically started my army with all helms, I was never good at faces at all. Now as this was your first face you've painted I believe you might be a bit harsh on yourself, I'm pretty sure that there has been no one who has been perfect the first time they tried something. so hopefully this may help with painting faces/skin. With elf flesh I would change out dwarf for elf and just add progressively more white to the mix
Spoiler:
First Stage, base face with Tallarn Flesh and give the face a good bath of Ogryn Flesh wash. The aim here is to have the wash pool in the sunken sections
Second Stage: this is just a strait dwarf flesh layer (plenty of water) focusing on leaving recess with the Ogryn wash showing, areas such as around the eyes, around the forehead area, bits beside the mouth and little bits on the nose.
Third Stage: this is a 50/50 mix of Dwarf Flesh and Elf Flesh, this stage is aimed at raising the lightness of areas where the sun would hit, so cheek bones, top of the head, bridge of the nose, eye brow region , lips, chin, the aim here is to have the first layer not totally covered up by the new mix.
Fourth Stage: This stage is just pure elf flesh, The aim here is to paint raised edges where the sun would hit it the most. This includes areas such as top of the head, bridge of the nose, eye brows and cheeks.
Fifth Stage: Eyes were done at this point, using a 000 brush I did the white of the eyes. Then with the same 000 brush for the pupil of the eye.
Hopefully this is a bit easier to see with the cropped pic's
Regarding your challenge, I'm absolutely terrible with names, but will give it a shot anyway. How about Clarissa Lightmourne or Amber Sunwave. Terrible names I know but it's worth a shot.
technique....stolen! Amber Sunwave is awesome.
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No no still got steam! Been working- thursday and friday.
Got to pay my internet bills to keep up this youtubing business Getting a new video out this evening about my 1000 point army list and what I want Ideally.
@Knightley Didn't see the "click to show" button (new to forums)
Those faces are excellent- I'l have to come back to Spellsinger after I've had more practise with that technique on my other guys
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New video- it's a bit late but I feel like crap and tried to find half an hour of me not coughing. Winning name is in here- I know you'll like it.
Thoughts on my army set up?
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Totally understand you have you work to pay the bills (and to buy the models) Interesting video, I say this because for me I have no experience with Warhammer Fantasy, this has prodded me into looking for 1000 Point armies for Wood Elves, it seems the general consensus for Wood Elves is they are not currently a competitive army in the latest Warhammer fantasy game, however with magic Items from the main rule book you can at least have some fun (which is always the best part of the hobby)
Army Ideas below
Spoiler:
What I've picked up:
- Glade Gaurd seem to be your bread and butter core units I assume this is because they can do a lot of damage.
- Eagles are perfect Warmachine hunters but not good for anything else
Units to Avoid:
- Warhawk riders, Great Eagles, Eternal Guard and Wild Riders
So some lists I could find:
Spellweaver, Level 4 (Beasts or Loren) - 250
10 glade guard, musician, standard, flaming standard - 148 (Battle Standard Bearer)
10 glade guard, musician - 126
10 glade guard, musician - 126
10 dryads - 120
10 dryads - 120
Eagle - 50
Eagle - 50
Total 990
Highborn, Extra Hand Weapon, Shield, Bow of Loren, Armor of Fortune, Arcane Bodkins - 249
Spellsinger, level 2, Dispel Scroll - 150
Noble, Light armor, shield, Extra Hand Weapon - 98
10 Glade Guard, Champ - 126
10 Glade Guard, Champ - 126
5 Waywatchers, Champ - 128
5 Waywatchers - 120
Total 997
Wood Elf Highborn, The Bow of Loren, Arcane Bodkins, Briarsheath, additional Handweapon - 226
14 Glade Guard, Musician, Standard Bearer - 186
14 Glade Guard, Musician - 174
14 Glade Guard, Musician - 174
10 Waywatchers - 240
Total 1000
I have to say I am very happy that you've chosen one of the names I suggested for your spellweaver that made my morning hearing that
Bring on the next video I say!
IceAngel wrote:I must say Knightley, I am very envious of your squiggle ability. I mean, if squiggles were a tactical squad, you'd be the sergeant. If squiggles were an HQ, you'd be the special character. If squiggles were a way of life, you'd be Doctor Phil...
What ever happens I'm getting some tree kin I also really want to get Drycha at some point with a bigger point army.
I'd love to try a guerrilla warfare style with an all tree army for fun at some point- but over all it doesn't make sense wasting my elves and their handy abilities.
Hey Joey, another great update, hope your feeling okay. I was looking for four web pages which would have been great inspiration but i must have deleted the bookmarks at some point and i cant find the pages anywhere. Well three of them, i still had one bookmark but there is a chance you will already have seen it:
I haven't seen it -thanks for the input guys There's loads of army lists for 1000 points and though I don't think all the core in my battalion are necessary to use I'd like to use as much as possible (because I forked out the money for the thing) and I'm still unsure on whether the spell singer might be more useful at a later stage or whether I'm better of with something more durable at 1000 points.
Definitely want the tree kin, kind of want an eagle but I can't duplicate special in 1000p army and is one worth it?
... Read that paragraph back to myself and I'm impressed with what I;ve learnt so far. Well done me! And thanks to you guy's teaching me. You've been continuously helpful!
Going into Games workshop tomorrow will talk to the guys in there and I may have found my self a club to go to to annoy the crap out of every one there
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Some nice work there! Keep practicing and you´ll soon have the hang of it alll. Then its off to conversions
Eh...
Inmygravenimage: That's sweet dude. I bet her ass is bad...
Camkierhi - What a load of rubbish... Amazing!
Rogue Wolves - Its rediculous how much character you pack into those guys
Skalk Bloodaxe: I know those will be awesome when finished, but right now they look like crackers.
Necro-pocalypse weirdness:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/424470.page
2012/01/29 19:11:25
Subject: --== Joey's Wood Elf Army Documentary ==--
Well if you wind up playing at a club and not at GW check out the Ultraforge Treewoman, she is a far better model than GWs treeman and I think you could do her justice
2012/01/29 19:12:53
Subject: Re:--== Joey's Wood Elf Army Documentary ==--
First off, loving your new video is in front of the Maltese flag - viva la Malta!
Well, okay... It’s really nice to see you enjoying your new hobby, if you want, totally ignore me but may I put forward the following advice -
Take things at your own pace - Your currently in the shiny new army phase, some people never get out of this and end up starting new armies every other month - this ends up in allot of money spent and very little finished armies heh. Stay positive, and stay Motivated!
Its really nice to see you have had a positive experience at the GW store, this I find isnt the same for everyone, I'd still be careful and take their advice with a pinch of salt - end of the day its still their job to make money out of you, What they say you need is rarely what you actually need!!
It’s a good idea to join a club like you have suggested - you'll find the war gaming a lot more relaxed outside the shop environment!
Finally, I guess.... it’s your Hobby and make of it what you will and I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
So- bought my treekin today ready to file and build. So much filing to do and rogue bits of plastic everywhere. I'm scared that I'll ruin detail by trying to remove all the plastic. So much detail on them aswell!
Will be doing a video tonight of my tree kin building and paint work as much as I get done today though I won't rush them.
Not sure how autumny I can make these guys though :S
You might consider buying a Citadel Woods box. They are good for parts and they come with a tonne of leaves in canopy sections. I'm using the leaves for basing as they are optional. Lets you build up a floor of autumn leaves very quickly.
When you're removing flash(Where possible it might be best to do this before assembly.): 1. Cut off the large bits first with your snips or , carefully, with a hobby knife. 2. Try scraping the area backwards with your knife. Don't push forwards or you'll cut instead of scrape. 80-99% of the flash should now be gone. 3. Use fine grade files or sandpaper if you have to. Avoid lots of quick back and forward strokes. Use few long strokes using the entire length of the blade. Inspect the area after each stroke to make sure your not removing detail. 4. That should be the area prepped, if you have cut into the surface by mistake a tiny dab of plastic cement should tidy it up without any fuss. You probably won't have this problem though
Have fun with the Treekin. If your having trouble deciding on how to paint them get a tonne of pictures of cool autumnal trees from the internet and print them off if you can, if not stick them on a paint or word document. That'll give you a nice 'mood board' to work from. Also, think about what sort of things you would see on the trees. Mould/fungi for instance are commonplace and come in many forms. Most importantly when you add details like that, be subtle.
Have fun!
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Not the face!!
Got rid of most of it- video will be a day late I had too much prep work to do and I've amended my army list now too so that will all be up tomorrow
Everything is looking good so far and for your first time getting into the hobby you are doing an excellent job, its good to see your doing your homework on the army list and not just painting random minis.
First time I've seen a video blog its very different and you pull it off nicely, looking forward to the next update.
Oh and painting flesh up from a black undercoat is a pain but can look really good, it can give a lot of depth to the colour. White is easier though , It really depends on how dark you want the rest of the mini on what colour undercoat you use.
Practice on a few normal guys first before you go back to the spellsinger.
I cant help on the army list as I don't play WFB
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I'm afraid so.
<Alternatively, insert, 'That's what she said' joke, here.>
TheJoeyberry wrote:Got rid of most of it- video will be a day late I had too much prep work to do and I've amended my army list now too so that will all be up tomorrow
Take your time! Don't force yourself or you will sicken yourself of it, and that just wouldn't be fair on your loyal supporters. Something i was told yesterday:
“The smart industrious man always over-reaches at the start of a project, but only the fool refuses to scale things back once things are under way.”
—Marc-Andre Renaud | 2012
Okay, so your not a man but you can substitute woman or person if you'd like.
Don't worry about blending just yet, it's an advanced technique you can pick up later, i can't stress enough that you should start relatively simple until your well practiced in the basics.
Warhammer Joey's Documentary 
Joey 40000 Documentary 
Well three of them, i still had one bookmark but there is a chance you will already have seen it:
