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I'm not ignoring the statement and I'm not arguing something different.

The orignal arguement, was under the impression that you "must" roll for saves.. If you must roll for save, then dismissing him would be at the same time as the save rolls. So pg 10 seq. Since you "can" roll for saves, there is no seq issue. This already stated in my above post. If you look over the thread you will see I have not changed my agruement. I have responded to your posts with the rule against your post.

Now your ignoring that if you dismiss after the roll to wound, you give up CR.

"If you must roll for save, then dismissing him would be at the same time as the save rolls. So pg 10 seq."

WRONG. Seriously. This is NOT based ANYWHERE in ANY rules. NONE at all. I can end at *any* time - and I choose that to be before rolling for saves. Find a rule that says I cannot do so.

THIS is what you ignored previously, and went and argued something differently. You now repeated it without any single scrap of evidence from the rules that you are right.

Finally: saving throws are NOT optional. Page 43. "Hand our opponent all the dice that scored succesful wounds - he then rolls these in an attempt to "save his models"

The main rule use of "may" is only saying that the save roll MAY cancel the wound, not that you "may" roll for the save - there is no element of choice here.

Even the rules on page 51 disagree with you here - "the enemy now rolls a D6 for each wound suffered"

It does not alter that, if I wish, I can end any RiP that isnt a vortex at ANY time I wish, and Page 10 has NOTHING to say about it.

Bottom line, If you dismiss the hero after the to Wounds. Those wounds would be counted in the CR.

Bottom Line, I can dismiss any RiP* at anytime, regardless of your rule-lacking opinion to the contrary

*non vortex

I am not disputing that you can't dismiss a RiP at anytime.

I am conceding on the timing issue. I do think there is one, but conceding the issue, there is no timing issue.

You still giving up CR if the To Wounds, wounds.

So you dismiss before the opponent rolls to-wound. The attacks are still wasted, which is the main reason for using this "tactic"

Yes, the way its read.. I don't agree with it but thats way its worded.

That not what you stated tho in your original statement.

CR only counts unsaved wounds, if you never get to the saving part then no wounds have failed saves.

Does that even make sense?...

To wounds is the wounding. The To Save is trying to cancel the wounds. The CR doesnt say, unsaved wounds, its says wounds. The Save step just cancels some wounds.

Hardly a point worth arguing WoC don't loose combat anyway.