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**DeathReaper**

Maybe I should have worded it like this:

Would a Space Marine Terminator, that currently has a 2+ armor save, be able to take its save against the wound?

**sudojoe**

The chart is worded as "armor save"

daemons have no armor save. So according to the chart, they would not get to take a FnP.

Entropic strike would similarly put a model in this category. Hence if we are claiming that those models cannot take a FnP, then none of the daemons should be able to either. No armor. no save. The chart is clear but I am not sure that is the intent.

Say a paladin gets his armor ripped off, he still gets a 5++ invul during the next round of combat. but according to the chart, the pally should then not be able to make a FnP. That the intent?

**DeathReaper**

No, the chart asks if a model that has a 2+ armor save could take that save against the wound. applying ES or models with no armor save makes no difference.

the box referencing the armor save is not refrencing the model that took the wound in any way.

"Can a model with a 2+ armor save take their armor save against the wound"

Let me break that down for you:

"Can a model" (This means any not just the model that took the wound)

"with a 2+ armor save"(This means the aforementioned model has a 2+ armor save(Note we are not talking about the model that took the wound))

"take their armor save against the wound" (their armor save refers to the aforementioned 2+ armor save)

Does the breakdown clear it up?

If not maybe I should have worded it like this:
"Pretend that a Space Marine Terminator, that currently has a 2+ armor save, just took this wound instead of the model that actually took the wound, Would the Space Marine Terminator be able to take their armor save against the wound?"

Does this clear it up?

**sudojoe**

actually that did clear it up. thanks!

Another question came up though, say your str was enough enough to force instant death by double the toughness, but your model also has eternal warrior and you are immune. Do you still get to take the FnP?

**DeathReaper**

EW only makes you "Immune to the effects of the Instant Death rule"(P.74 brb), that attack still caused ID, but the EW only lost one wound instead of all of them.

So as long as the attack inflicts ID, you consult the chart and can not roll for FNP.

**thakabalpuphorsefishguy**

DeathReaper wrote:No, the chart asks if a model that has a 2+ armor save could take that save against the wound. applying ES or models with no armor save makes no difference.

the box referencing the armor save is not refrencing the model that took the wound in any way.

"Can a model with a 2+ armor save take their armor save against the wound"

Let me break that down for you:

"Can a model" (This means any not just the model that took the wound)

"with a 2+ armor save"(This means the aforementioned model has a 2+ armor save(Note we are not talking about the model that took the wound))

"take their armor save against the wound" (their armor save refers to the aforementioned 2+ armor save)

Does the breakdown clear it up?

If not maybe I should have worded it like this:
"Pretend that a Space Marine Terminator, that currently has a 2+ armor save, just took this wound instead of the model that actually took the wound, Would the Space Marine Terminator be able to take their armor save against the wound?"

Does this clear it up?

Or maybe people could just look in the BRB for the stinkin list that states what negates FNP....
Its even simpler than saying could a model from ANY ARMY, that has a 2+ armor save still take the armour save against the wound.
Is the wound you are trying to FNP ap 1 or 2? If yes, no FNP for you *snatches FNP from hand*
Is the wound from some kind of power weapon, or special rule that denies ALL armor saves? If yes, no FNP for you *snatches FNP from hand*
Is the wound from a source that causes instant death for ANY reason? If yes, then no FNP for you *snatches FNP from hand*

Its really quite simple. As with all rules.... it doesnt help to, I dunno, READ them...

**DeathReaper**

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:Its even simpler than saying could a model from ANY ARMY, that has a 2+ armor save still take the armour save against the wound.

"a model with a 2+ armor save" Means any given model that has a 2+ armor save.

I do not see how the flowchart is unclear.