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2012/04/20 18:45:57
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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DeathReaper wrote:Except that they can be placed because of the emergency disembark rules.
if there was no room to place them they would be destroyed.
Well sure, but it doesn't benefit the Necron player at all, as the ED won't prevent the 'unplaceable' models from being destroyed via the 'lith's rule.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/20 18:47:56
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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The Hive Mind
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Lordhat wrote:DeathReaper wrote:Except that they can be placed because of the emergency disembark rules.
if there was no room to place them they would be destroyed.
Well sure, but it doesn't benefit the Necron player at all, as the ED won't prevent the 'unplaceable' models from being destroyed via the 'lith's rule.
Plus, ED can only be done "[i]f any models cannot disembark because of enemies or because they would end up in impassable terrain" - not because they just don't fit.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/04/20 18:48:41
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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rigeld2 wrote:Lordhat wrote:DeathReaper wrote:Except that they can be placed because of the emergency disembark rules.
if there was no room to place them they would be destroyed.
Well sure, but it doesn't benefit the Necron player at all, as the ED won't prevent the 'unplaceable' models from being destroyed via the 'lith's rule.
Plus, ED can only be done "[i]f any models cannot disembark because of enemies or because they would end up in impassable terrain" - not because they just don't fit.
That's not exactly the case.... the Monolith is impassable terrain.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/20 18:50:58
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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The Hive Mind
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Lordhat wrote:rigeld2 wrote:Lordhat wrote:DeathReaper wrote:Except that they can be placed because of the emergency disembark rules.
if there was no room to place them they would be destroyed.
Well sure, but it doesn't benefit the Necron player at all, as the ED won't prevent the 'unplaceable' models from being destroyed via the 'lith's rule.
Plus, ED can only be done "[i]f any models cannot disembark because of enemies or because they would end up in impassable terrain" - not because they just don't fit.
That's not exactly the case.... the Monolith is impassable terrain.
No, it's a friendly model - you can't move through/into friendly models, but that doesn't make them impassable terrain.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/04/20 18:55:05
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Actually all modes are considered impassible.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/04/20 18:56:24
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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The Hive Mind
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DeathReaper wrote:Actually all modes are considered impassible.
I'm sure I've read that as well, which is why I'm sure you have a rules quote.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/04/20 18:57:41
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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rigeld2 wrote:DeathReaper wrote:Actually all modes are considered impassible.
I'm sure I've read that as well, which is why I'm sure you have a rules quote.
I was just looking for one... it may be in the FAQ.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/20 18:58:42
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Luide wrote:They don't disembark, they 'disembark'.
"That unit immediately phases out form its current position and 'disembarks' from the Monolith's portal. Any models that cannot be placed are removed as casualties, but the move is otherwise treated exactly as disembarking from a vehicle that has moved at combat speed". (C:Necrons pg 47)
Considering that the rule explicitly specify that if model cannot be placed, it is destroyed, I don't think one can make argument that Emergency Disembark is possible in good faith.
You're ignoring the second half of that which says "treated exactly as disembarking from a vehicle that has moved at combat speed". And, as for any vehicle if you can't place the models they're removed as casualties. They don't mention the ED rules because ED is still disembarking. It's the same as how a Ram is still a Tank Shock it's just a special Tank Shock. Well, ED is still Disembarking it's just a special Disembarkation.
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2012/04/20 19:04:39
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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The Hive Mind
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Lordhat wrote:rigeld2 wrote:DeathReaper wrote:Actually all modes are considered impassible.
I'm sure I've read that as well, which is why I'm sure you have a rules quote.
I was just looking for one... it may be in the FAQ.
If it doesn't exist, this argument fails - according to what I have in front of me, the only way to ED is if a disembarking model hits an enemy unit or impassable terrain. It doesn't mention friendly models, and since it splits out the enemy unit and impassable terrain, I'm leaning towards "they aren't the same thing".
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/04/20 19:05:58
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Kevin949 wrote:Luide wrote:They don't disembark, they 'disembark'.
"That unit immediately phases out form its current position and 'disembarks' from the Monolith's portal. Any models that cannot be placed are removed as casualties, but the move is otherwise treated exactly as disembarking from a vehicle that has moved at combat speed". (C:Necrons pg 47)
Considering that the rule explicitly specify that if model cannot be placed, it is destroyed, I don't think one can make argument that Emergency Disembark is possible in good faith.
You're ignoring the second half of that which says "treated exactly as disembarking from a vehicle that has moved at combat speed". And, as for any vehicle if you can't place the models they're removed as casualties. They don't mention the ED rules because ED is still disembarking. It's the same as how a Ram is still a Tank Shock it's just a special Tank Shock. Well, ED is still Disembarking it's just a special Disembarkation.
Any models that can't be placed are destroyed. Other than that, it's a normal disembark. You can't not destroy the unplaceable models.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/20 19:09:50
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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rigeld2 wrote:DeathReaper wrote:Actually all modes are considered impassible.
I'm sure I've read that as well, which is why I'm sure you have a rules quote.
Page13 "Guildlines on categorising terrian"
Third bullet point
Lists all models (friend and foe) as impassable terrain
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2012/04/20 19:10:36
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Lordhat wrote:rigeld2 wrote:DeathReaper wrote:Actually all modes are considered impassible.
I'm sure I've read that as well, which is why I'm sure you have a rules quote.
I was just looking for one... it may be in the FAQ.
Page 13, left column 'Guidelines on categorising terrain' section, 3rd bullet point, last sentence.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/20 19:10:45
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/04/20 19:15:26
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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The Hive Mind
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Fair enough. Retracted. You can ED from a monolith (as stupid as that is).
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/04/20 19:20:59
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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This is why I don't understand why it's only 2 inches for the lith with only one exit point and unit sizes as large as 20. Should have been 2.5 or 3 inches, but I guess GW is just emphasizing smaller unit sizes again.
Whatever, at least the monolith can teleport everything non-vehicle now.
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2012/04/20 20:02:20
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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So to sum up: ED is allowed from the Monolith, but it doesn't do any any good, as the models that cannot be placed are still destroyed as per the Monolith's rules.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/20 21:06:52
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Lordhat wrote:So to sum up: ED is allowed from the Monolith, but it doesn't do any any good, as the models that cannot be placed are still destroyed as per the Monolith's rules.
ED would allow you to deploy those extra models around the sides of the monolith, instead of just the front.
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2012/04/20 21:37:14
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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I don't get why people are stuggling with emergency disembarkation, it's pretty simple.
The way I see it, it prevents the enemy by destrying your entire squad by simply blocking the access point. It's not supposed to really be anything more.
Yes it's a disadvantage if you have to do it in your own turn - but that's what happens when your transport is immobilised and the access points are blocked. It's supposed to be a disadvantage.
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2012/04/20 21:55:08
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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grendel083 wrote:Lordhat wrote:So to sum up: ED is allowed from the Monolith, but it doesn't do any any good, as the models that cannot be placed are still destroyed as per the Monolith's rules.
ED would allow you to deploy those extra models around the sides of the monolith, instead of just the front.
Exactly this. The models can be placed because of the ED rules. Now if there were no room within 2 inches of the hull anywhere, then the remaining guys are, in fact, killed.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/20 21:55:35
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/04/21 07:05:13
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Dakka Veteran
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Luide wrote:They don't disembark, they 'disembark'.
"That unit immediately phases out form its current position and 'disembarks' from the Monolith's portal. Any models that cannot be placed are removed as casualties, but the move is otherwise treated exactly as disembarking from a vehicle that has moved at combat speed". (C:Necrons pg 47)
Considering that the rule explicitly specify that if model cannot be placed, it is destroyed, I don't think one can make argument that Emergency Disembark is possible in good faith.
The rule for disembarking allow "emergency disembarking" when you "cannot disembark", not "when a model cannot be placed".
If the rule for Disembarking allows for Emergency Disembarking within 2" of the vehicle hull (and disallowing all further action that turn) then the models can be placed, and so they're not destroyed.
I would have agreed with you, except I reread both rules and it looks like DeathReaper is correct.
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2012/04/21 07:12:27
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Nemesor Dave wrote:
The rule for disembarking allow "emergency disembarking" when you "cannot disembark", not "when a model cannot be placed".
Same thing. If a model cannot be placed it cannot disembark. Automatically Appended Next Post: DeathReaper wrote:grendel083 wrote:Lordhat wrote:So to sum up: ED is allowed from the Monolith, but it doesn't do any any good, as the models that cannot be placed are still destroyed as per the Monolith's rules.
ED would allow you to deploy those extra models around the sides of the monolith, instead of just the front.
Exactly this. The models can be placed because of the ED rules.
Now if there were no room within 2 inches of the hull anywhere, then the remaining guys are, in fact, killed.
The specific rule of the Monolith overrides the general rule of ED.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/21 07:14:41
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/21 12:15:09
Subject: Emergency disembarking (wait a tick?)
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The Hive Mind
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The general rule of ED says you can't disembark if you can't place models. The Monolith says they're destroyed. Automatically Appended Next Post: Lordhat wrote:Nemesor Dave wrote:
The rule for disembarking allow "emergency disembarking" when you "cannot disembark", not "when a model cannot be placed".
Same thing. If a model cannot be placed it cannot disembark.
If a model cannot be placed the unit cannot disembark. Monolith allows the disembark but kills them. ED can still happen.
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