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Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:how do you get 10 man strike squads into razorbacks for greytide?

Combat squads probably. 5 in 5 out

lol so much hate on the gk's this army doesn't sound like the "make friends" at tourney army. I love the draigo wing but like I said it's going to be about winning and I have 25 termies that should be here today I don't seem to find alot of draigowing winning tourneys or anything else so I guess tomorrow I'll start picking up some normaly grey knights? I'm not exactly sure. The lists that I see winning are as spammy as my blood angels -.- I wanna win with a list that's not spamming the absolute hell of out transports -.- sigh
I ran into this problem with my blood angels.
Step 1) buy 50 assault marines
Step 2) Las/plas til hell freezes over - with three preds and mephi
Step 3) ?????
Step 4) profit.

Dont do what everyone else does, i fyou want to win tournaments. Not to mention its deathly, deathly dull to face the same netlist GKs over and over and over - not that GK are special in this, the first dozen times through flying circus or JSJ Tau in 4th were dull dull dull as well, never mind all the spam lists since - do something different.

If you bring the exact same list as other people, then the other armies will have an easier time facing you. As pointed out - PA heavy GK loses, and loses hard, to a number of lists. As does draigo wing.

The list I made hasnt won, but i've come damn close at some large (50 player plus) tourneys, and i'm not exactly good. It does this by forcing people to think differently, and sometimes throwing someone off by NOT having what they expect can give you the edge.

Essentially - if you net list and arent a great general as well, then you still wont win anything decent -because the decent generals will still have the netlist, but will be better at using it than you are - plus, and this is a big plus, if you dont actually enjoy playing the army you also wont be as good with it.

Build something you want to play with, and go with it, would be my advice.

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:1) The codex is really solid and balanced. Unfortunantly, people with older books that arn't balanced can struggle against an army that has an answer to everything. Hence it might be viewed as OP. The only OP thing I see is Warp Quake and only against daemon players.

2) yes

3) IMO, its not a GK list if it has Inquisitors or Henchmen. It has become an Inquisition list. They play very differently from lists of just GKs.

4) The most competitive lists from the GK Codex are going to be Draigowing(Draigo and Paladins), Purifier lists(Crowe and Purifiers, either 10 man in rhinos or 6 man in Razorbacks, or a combo), Greytide(lots of 10 man Strike Squads with Razorbacks) and Henchmen lists(Coteaz and 6 squads of henchmen, various builds. Might have GK elites and 2nd HQ)


Just look through the Army Lists section here on Dakka and you will find examples from all of the above.

how do you get 10 man strike squads into razorbacks for greytide?

You either arn't taking the Razorback for its transport capacity OR you combat squad.

So I guess the consensus is to play them, enjoy them and they are worth buying and taking to tourneys. (especially to win )

I love my gk armies. lol I make all sorts of random stuff for casual but in tourneys I play more waac lists. Though this tourney this Saturday I may play some random hybrid since people are expecting my draigowing or purifiers. Though I think if I win this next one the whole shop may be on the hate gk camp. lol Ive won the last 3.

I would look though and break down what the units do. Build what is fun for you. I really wanted to do a purifier list but at the same time couldn't justify fielding Crowe, he is a horrible model IMHO.

Once you find what units you like build off that, build to the strengths. My FLGS the games are 1750 I have my list down in my signature but I will point out a few things.

The shooty was good but I ran out of table I needed something to handle their CC units, so I introduced the Death Cult Assassins.

Try to build more than a 1 trick pony, there was a list that was doing decent it was the dual deamon prince list. It forced the opponent to choose which one to deal with.

Psyflemen are a huge threat but if you are fielding them you have to field them in numbers. 1 dread is really easy to take down all things considered, 3 takes a little more finesse 'specially if they are spread a little.

Storm Ravens are FAST, really fast, the SR in my list delivers my "Anti death star" unit.

Speaking of "Anti death star" Inquisitors are 25 points base, have access some nice grenades (Rad) and death cult assassins are same price as a space marine but have 2 power weapons (and no shooting) so you cant accidentally forget what they are made for.

Your tanks don't have to have anything in them. I generally use my razor backs to get to an objective, i move the grey knights inside to the objective (generally in cover) and form basically a gun line, while the razorback goes around with its supped up heavy bolter eating light infantry and trying to stay out of range of counter attack.

Land raiders were a little too slow for my taste, my 2 losses with this list were before i changed the tl lc land raider out for a storm raven.

Brotherhood champions are too point heavy for what they are IMHO.

This is all IMHO of course and YMMV.

As far as cost of the model to effectiveness, if you are trying to get the cheapest army possible that would be Drago wing.

But don't let some of the models intimidate you, some can be converted easily, example for my DCA's rather than the $15/2 models that don't look that good I got a $30 box of 10 Dark Eldar Wytches and a little time with a hobby knife a dremel and the nemesis falchions I didn't use from my PAGK's, They only comments I have got about them were positive, no one questions that they are Death Cult Assassins. Feel free to be a little creative but you will know your local player base better than I will.

man I'm not really sure I would like to have about 3 lists that I could run, there are a lot of team tourneys and I could possibley be teamed up with any race so I wanted to find a good variety to kind of play casually with and then play the lists I know to be competitive.

Well unfortunately for most casual games people do not like gk. lol Espeacially if you run draigowing, crowe list or coteaz lists. If you want to make something for more casual you might stick to vanilla grandmaster, mordrak or other things in the book. First game/tourney that a new guy shows up with gk and beats anyone people will grumble.

lol well I have my blood angels biker list for the for silly fun games but like I said I would really enjoy having the variety of 3 full lists and half the fun of the game to me is making that crazy list no one has seen. But, as I'm still new I would like the tried and true - this list has the ability to walk into a tourney and win.


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Titan, through Malcador's mystical means, had been hidden away from the ravages of the Horus Heresy. When they arrived they found a Fortress-monastery already fully prepared and stocked with everything necessary to create a new army of Space Marines including supplies of gene-seed, which is suspected to have been taken from the Emperor directly, and all the necessary armaments- Lexicanum.
And then we wonder why people say they're op. WE'RE PLAYING 40 OR SO MODELS OF THE EMPEROR HIMSELF =D

Gharron wrote:lol so much hate on the gk's this army doesn't sound like the "make friends" at tourney army. I love the draigo wing but like I said it's going to be about winning and I have 25 termies that should be here today I don't seem to find alot of draigowing winning tourneys or anything else so I guess tomorrow I'll start picking up some normaly grey knights? I'm not exactly sure. The lists that I see winning are as spammy as my blood angels -.- I wanna win with a list that's not spamming the absolute hell of out transports -.- sigh
I ran into this problem with my blood angels.
Step 1) buy 50 assault marines
Step 2) Las/plas til hell freezes over - with three preds and mephi
Step 3) ?????
Step 4) profit.

BA DOA would be slaughtered by GK. to fire meltaguns you would have to get inside their 24 inch assault cannon death radius. and if you assault, the halbreds go first causing mass death. I can imagin a sanguinary guard squad charging a GK squad - that would basically be an instant 200 point loss for the BA player.

from the BA codex. th/ss terms or furiosos would really be the only thing worth assaulting GKs with.

why do people talk as if GK are so overcosted and then compare them to tacticals? doesnt add up.

lets assume tacticals could take whatever wargear they wanted:

170 - 15 - base cost of a squad of 10, to keep it fair we will subtract the cost of the free flamer and missle launcher - 155
5x 15 power weapons - 75
1x 30 thunder hammer - 30
4x 30 assault cannons - 120

380. but with one attack less, no rhino, no storm bolters, no halbred higher initiative, no cleansing flame. i think purifiers are more than a fair price.

yes they have the same toughness and save as a tactical marine. what do you think they need? invuln saves too?

kb have you played as great knights or the BA in this scenario? Have you lost alot to gk's or something?

Geez, people, don't feed the fething troll.

Gharron wrote:kb have you played as great knights or the BA in this scenario? Have you lost alot to gk's or something?

just having a debate. not trying to offend anyone.

Not offending lol you're just going hard in the paint on the grey knight hate XD

Gharron wrote:Not offending lol you're just going hard in the paint on the grey knight hate XD

i do think their codex is pretty broken ATM.

the models are very nice. i might paint a bunch soon actually. maybe ill make the GK list i posted earlier lol.

kb305 wrote:The models are very nice. i might paint a bunch soon actually. maybe ill make the GK list i posted earlier lol.

If you live in the Denver area, I want to play against it.

nung's about to hit the big 1k posts!


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Lats question though, if you were going to buy the normal power armor grey knights how many would you buy? 30-40? what does that leave me for strike squads?

Gharron wrote:nung's about to hit the big 1k posts!


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Lats question though, if you were going to buy the normal power armor grey knights how many would you buy? 30-40? what does that leave me for strike squads?

Well typically you wont need more then 30 below 2k pts if you run 3-4 dreads etc. Purifiers and strike looks wise arent all that different aside from the white helmet.

We're going to be playing 2k points where I live. I just didn't know what I needed to make strikes purifiers and where I could find the most competitive lists at 2k

Gharron wrote:We're going to be playing 2k points where I live. I just didn't know what I needed to make strikes purifiers and where I could find the most competitive lists at 2k

Well typically at 2k you can run 6 psybacks filled with 5 purifiers armed with 2 psycanons, 1 dh, and 2 halberds supported by 2 ven dreds and 2 regular dreds. Thats quite a bit of shooting. Some may interchange the squads to 10 man in rhinos and drop a dread for a vindicare. Purifiers and strike use the same weapons and only difference is paint looks wise. Purifiers have white helmets.. yes thats the only difference. lol
As far as most compeitive there isnt a specific list like csm lash list etc.

KB - its a crap argument to price UPGRADE prices into a unit to try to compare them to mandatory costs of another unit

THe point is that, if you want to run SS, you have to pay for the power weapon - even if you dont want it. Meaning you pay more, mandatory, for a unit that may only want to hold objectives.

This is an oppurtunity cost that GK pay that Tacs and GH dont - which is why they get it for cheaper

You do realise if you tried to cost up Banshees the same as you just did you would hit over 30ppm?

Sigh, lol I wish this was easy to make a list. After all of the things I've read it sounds to me like the grey knights excel at shooting. So shooting in a big brick is a mobile death squad. I should have 25 PAGK after today. I just wish if say 30 or 40 of them is enough to cover any list I would like to build. lol