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willhman wrote:marines malevolent and salamanders... Nuff said

...and said twice already in this thread.

in IA10 the Minotaurs are said to be infamous particularly amongst the Ultramarines and their successors due to their reputation for attacking loyal space marines while following orders from the high lords of Terra, most notably when they almost exterminated both the Doom warriors and the Inceptors chapters, and then stripping the dead inceptors of their chapter relics.

In-game, fielding the Minotaurs chapter master even provides the army with preferred enemy: space marines

If memory serves, current Codex: Space Marines has the Knights of the Raven coming to blows with another loyalist chapter. The conflict was only stopped at the behest of Marneus Calgar himself.

Minotaurs and Ultramarines have an amusing rivalry. U's are the poster boys of the imperium, M's are the teacher's pet of the High Lords. And they both openly make it a point to say the other sucks.

As far as I know, no one really like the Space Sharks chapter, least of all the Star Phantoms (see Badab War). There was also another Chapter (I think the Mantis Warriors) that got screwed, and I mean fudging SCREWED by the Space Sharks/Carcharodons Chapter (aside form the Star Phantoms, that is). I think they have... 100 marines in total left? They are also down one fortress monastery, among other things.

TheAngrySquig wrote: But under normal circumstances the legions like each other in a respect sort of way, the Lion and Russ became good friends after their scuffle

I had read that, (might had been in the SW codex), that after a while, The Lion and Wolf became extremely close. I also remember something about that when Leman Russ left,one of the reason was to look for the Lion, who disappeared. It is less of a hatred now a days, and more of a friendly rivalry.

Its great because one of my friends plays Space Wolves and I play Dark Angels, so every time a warhammer game starts, even if we are not playing each other, we have a stare down and just go,
"Wolf"
"Lion"
And then start playing

English Assassin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Space Wolves also don't like the Ultra Marines and Grey Knights much.

Is that something which has specifically been stated in a canonical source, or just an inference based on the Wolves not adhering to the Codex and antagonising the Inquisition after the First Armageddon War?

I thought they don't like the boys in Blue due to Codex: Astartes and the Ultramarine Primarch being annoying. Also, they don't like the Grey Knight after the First Armageddon War and other conflicts they were in with the Inquistion. The Space Wolves hate Authority from other Chapters.

rockerbikie wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Space Wolves also don't like the Ultra Marines and Grey Knights much.

Is that something which has specifically been stated in a canonical source, or just an inference based on the Wolves not adhering to the Codex and antagonising the Inquisition after the First Armageddon War?

I thought they don't like the boys in Blue due to Codex: Astartes and the Ultramarine Primarch being annoying. Also, they don't like the Grey Knight after the First Armageddon War and other conflicts they were in with the Inquistion. The Space Wolves hate Authority from other Chapters.

I'm aware that you thought that, my question was whether that was based on inference, or on canonical statements.

English Assassin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Space Wolves also don't like the Ultra Marines and Grey Knights much.

Is that something which has specifically been stated in a canonical source, or just an inference based on the Wolves not adhering to the Codex and antagonising the Inquisition after the First Armageddon War?

I thought they don't like the boys in Blue due to Codex: Astartes and the Ultramarine Primarch being annoying. Also, they don't like the Grey Knight after the First Armageddon War and other conflicts they were in with the Inquistion. The Space Wolves hate Authority from other Chapters.

I'm aware that you thought that, my question was whether that was based on inference, or on canonical statements.

I admit, I have not used or heard the word canonical so I apologise.

Someone told me space sharks were renegade, am I wrong? This might be abit off topic but I toyed with the idea of making a space sharks army after my chaos, do they have any special rules or HQs or are they one of those un touched chapters only defined by icons and color schemes?

I believe they are, and are now called Charcharadons.

They have some FW stuff, including this guy

Still loyalist according to lexicanum

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Carcharodons#.T024S_Ege68

and the wiki

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Carcharodons

but they are called the Carcharodons.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Still loyalist according to lexicanum

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Carcharodons#.T024S_Ege68

and the wiki

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Carcharodons

but they are called the Carcharodons.

That's odd, why would they have two names, two emblems? Is there any reason for this?

DeathRex wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Still loyalist according to lexicanum

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Carcharodons#.T024S_Ege68

and the wiki

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Carcharodons

but they are called the Carcharodons.

That's odd, why would they have two names, two emblems? Is there any reason for this?

Hrmmm I wasn't sure what you were talking about until I clicked the link on the wiki.... Most peculiar.... Personally I'm leaning towards the lexicanum one, where space sharks is more of a low gothic translation where as carcharodons or carcharodons astra is the name. Could also be a little bit of an oversight by GW, it happens from time to time

It could also be the name of a specific company.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

DeathRex wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Still loyalist according to lexicanum

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Carcharodons#.T024S_Ege68

and the wiki

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Carcharodons

but they are called the Carcharodons.

That's odd, why would they have two names, two emblems? Is there any reason for this?

Hrmmm I wasn't sure what you were talking about until I clicked the link on the wiki.... Most peculiar.... Personally I'm leaning towards the lexicanum one, where space sharks is more of a low gothic translation where as carcharodons or carcharodons astra is the name. Could also be a little bit of an oversight by GW, it happens from time to time

It could also be the name of a specific company.

wait, what? What are you two talking about? The Carcharodons/Space Sharks are one Chapter, one that was very involved in the Badab War and its aftermath. Because of their lack of any real records, their actual name is unknown, but since their (only) symbol is a shark, they tend to get stuck with "Space Sharks" since Carcharodons is harder to say and doens't have the same cheesy ring to it. Also, both the Wiki and Lexicanum show the same chapter symbol.

Post-figuring it out Edit: I see. Considering that on the wiki both the Space Sharks and Carcharodons have almost the exact same pages (minus the symbol), i'd say that whoever made the Space Sharks page must've been drunk, because the Space Sharks and Carcharodons are one and the same.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Space Wolves also don't like the Ultra Marines and Grey Knights much.

Is that something which has specifically been stated in a canonical source, or just an inference based on the Wolves not adhering to the Codex and antagonising the Inquisition after the First Armageddon War?

Yeah, that sounds more like inference to me. It's well known that the Wolves have had problems with the inquisition in general before, though I don't recall any specific incidents that would indicate they disliked the Grey Knights in particular.
Nor do they have any problems with the Boys In Blue, as I recall, they just follow their own Primarch's teachings.

On Armageddon they saved the civilians and guardsmen from being "erased" to protect the identity of the GK.... They really really don't like GK politics, or the inquisition. I don't believe they ever came to blows though...

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McNinja wrote:Post-figuring it out Edit: I see. Considering that on the wiki both the Space Sharks and Carcharodons have almost the exact same pages (minus the symbol), i'd say that whoever made the Space Sharks page must've been drunk, because the Space Sharks and Carcharodons are one and the same.

I was gonna say that but yeah I've seen the symbol before somewhere so I wasn't too sure.

"Carcharodon" is the genus of sharks that include Great Whites.

"Caracharodons Astra" is, basically, "space sharks," only in pretentious pseudo-Latin silliness instead of just cheesy silliness.

Red Corsair wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Space Wolves also don't like the Ultra Marines and Grey Knights much.

Is that something which has specifically been stated in a canonical source, or just an inference based on the Wolves not adhering to the Codex and antagonising the Inquisition after the First Armageddon War?

Yeah, that sounds more like inference to me. It's well known that the Wolves have had problems with the inquisition in general before, though I don't recall any specific incidents that would indicate they disliked the Grey Knights in particular.
Nor do they have any problems with the Boys In Blue, as I recall, they just follow their own Primarch's teachings.

On Armageddon they saved the civilians and guardsmen from being "erased" to protect the identity of the GK.... They really really don't like GK politics, or the inquisition. I don't believe they ever came to blows though...

Space Wolves? bloody long haired scruffy hippies

Magpie wrote:

Red Corsair wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Space Wolves also don't like the Ultra Marines and Grey Knights much.

Is that something which has specifically been stated in a canonical source, or just an inference based on the Wolves not adhering to the Codex and antagonising the Inquisition after the First Armageddon War?

Yeah, that sounds more like inference to me. It's well known that the Wolves have had problems with the inquisition in general before, though I don't recall any specific incidents that would indicate they disliked the Grey Knights in particular.
Nor do they have any problems with the Boys In Blue, as I recall, they just follow their own Primarch's teachings.

On Armageddon they saved the civilians and guardsmen from being "erased" to protect the identity of the GK.... They really really don't like GK politics, or the inquisition. I don't believe they ever came to blows though...

Space Wolves? bloody long haired scruffy hippies

Inquisitors? Zealous annoying Genocidial Fanatics.

Hmmm... Again, if memory serves, Bran Redmaw was wary of working with an Inquisitor in IA: 11, The Doom of Mymeara. The atrocities commited by the Inquisition on Armageddon are mentioned, in passing, as the reason for his mistrust.

No word on the Grey Knights, though.

McNinja wrote:
Post-figuring it out Edit: I see. Considering that on the wiki both the Space Sharks and Carcharodons have almost the exact same pages (minus the symbol), i'd say that whoever made the Space Sharks page must've been drunk, because the Space Sharks and Carcharodons are one and the same.

Originally, they were simply called the Space Sharks. For the Badab War Books, they were renamed as the Carcharadons. Probably for the rule of cool. But, as a chapter, they are one and the same.

They are loyalists. They do not adhere too well to the Codex Astartes. As such, they are not trusted by other marine chapters very well.

You can read more about them in the second Badab War book (Imperial Armor 10). However, you'll probably want 9 and 10.