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lord marcus wrote:

Lordhat wrote:

Arrathon wrote:If i may add in. I have a very small time painting buisness here in town (have not gone internet yet) I can't see spending 3$ on a can of paint, when the Store brand (wal-mart) The name is "Fast drying Spray Paint" in a blue can. it's .97$ to 1.07$ a can depending on color. I have never had trouble with it. It lays even and the grey and white come out nice and crisp. And the Matt black comes out ina nice super even solid matt finish. It also does dry fast,up to way less then half a hour. Hope this lil bit of info helps out!

+1. At my Wal-mart it's called "Color Place" and still comes in a blue can. The one dollar primer works much better then the GW spray paint, err "primer", and coats perfectly fine.

I was always wary of this stuff. does it hold paint well?

It is Excellent primer. Everything i have painted since i started 4"ish" years ago. Stuff has never let me down. Why spend 15$ a can on the GW stuff, when i can spend a buck..and take that extra 14$ and throw it towards a new model for one of my armies

http://www.krylon.com/products/indooroutdoor_primer/

Still on their website - pretty sure its not going anywhere. I get mine at Michael's and use the 40% off coupon. Haven't seen it at Wal-Mart in a while, but it might just be them and not Krylon.

The "generic" walmart brand has given me some issues in the past including chalky coats, discoloration and very ruff coats. I shook the can well and temp. and humidity seemed fine.
I have been using krylon blacks and rustoleum camo grey and have had no issues at all.
I don't recommend the 99c stuff I've had to superclean soak more than a few models because of it.

Krylon is one of the biggest, most trustworthy manufacturers of spray paint. I seriously doubt they'd phase out their best products....

But if you say so!

Hmm, if it happens then at least I still have my auto-primer to fall back on. But their white primer was really nice. Guess I'll check in at Canadian Tire, may just be a Walmart (or even a local) thing.

Funny enough GW sprays that sell for $15 are made by Krylon.

....and I could ever find two of the three primer colors that Krylon makes at the two WalMarts close to me....white & grey, but never black primer. Glad someone called Krylon to confirm that they truly are being discontinued.

MightyGodzilla wrote:Funny enough GW sprays that sell for $15 are made by Krylon.

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I call Bollox on that mate.

GW sprays are paint and not primer, if half the things that various people post about Krylon are true the this can not be true.

I contend that using a "real primer" isn't necessary given the following conditions:
1) The paint you use as a "primer" sticks to the miniature. This is the case with Vallejo Airbrush Primer (which is just regular paint labelled as primer) and Codex Gray.
2) The base coat sticks to the "primer"
3) You spray on a clear coat after the miniature is complete

I also contend that some paints are bad "primers".

That's a bummer. I love Krylon grey primer. It has all the benefits of both black and white, without the flaws.

MightyGodzilla wrote:Funny enough GW sprays that sell for $15 are made by Krylon.

So does that mean it's any good? Because I'd rather spend $20 dollars on a GW spray primer if it does the job, than wait 2 weeks for 3 cans of primer that will cost me 30 dollars on shipping and get me on an Australian government vandalism watchlist for importing large amounts of spraypaint.

Well this sucks. The Wal-Mart near me hasn't had any in stock for about 2 months, but during that time they had moved the paint station among other things, so I thought that they were just holding up on ordering more. I guess I know the real story now. Lame.

For US buyers, check Home Depot, or Menards.

Dear Page 2, please read Page 1. Krylon primer is not being discontinued. Wal-Mart may not carry it, but there are plenty of other retailers that stock Krylon.

Arrathon wrote:

lord marcus wrote:

Lordhat wrote:

Arrathon wrote:If i may add in. I have a very small time painting buisness here in town (have not gone internet yet) I can't see spending 3$ on a can of paint, when the Store brand (wal-mart) The name is "Fast drying Spray Paint" in a blue can. it's .97$ to 1.07$ a can depending on color. I have never had trouble with it. It lays even and the grey and white come out nice and crisp. And the Matt black comes out ina nice super even solid matt finish. It also does dry fast,up to way less then half a hour. Hope this lil bit of info helps out!

+1. At my Wal-mart it's called "Color Place" and still comes in a blue can. The one dollar primer works much better then the GW spray paint, err "primer", and coats perfectly fine.

I was always wary of this stuff. does it hold paint well?

It is Excellent primer. Everything i have painted since i started 4"ish" years ago. Stuff has never let me down. Why spend 15$ a can on the GW stuff, when i can spend a buck..and take that extra 14$ and throw it towards a new model for one of my armies

Ive used the Walmart brand primer on metal, plastic, and resin and never had a problem with it.


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Avakael wrote:

MightyGodzilla wrote:Funny enough GW sprays that sell for $15 are made by Krylon.

and get me on an Australian government vandalism watchlist for importing large amounts of spraypaint.

WTF? Really?

Avakael wrote:

MightyGodzilla wrote:Funny enough GW sprays that sell for $15 are made by Krylon.

So does that mean it's any good? Because I'd rather spend $20 dollars on a GW spray primer if it does the job, than wait 2 weeks for 3 cans of primer that will cost me 30 dollars on shipping and get me on an Australian government vandalism watchlist for importing large amounts of spraypaint.

Do you guys not have spray paints down under? To answer your question, yes GW sprays do get the job done, but the point everyone (and myself) are making on this thread is that there are other brands that do the same job for a fraction of the cost. Krylon primer being one on the list at under $4 usd per can. I've used GW spray primers, and later spray paints for over ten years myself. Just very recently I opted out of doing so because I didn't feel the need to give up $15 usd every time I wanted a new can of paint. Since then I've tried several of the brands of spray prime and spray paint that are not used exclusively for gaming minatures. Krylon is good stuff in my opinion.


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notprop wrote:

MightyGodzilla wrote:Funny enough GW sprays that sell for $15 are made by Krylon.

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I call Bollox on that mate.

GW sprays are paint and not primer, if half the things that various people post about Krylon are true the this can not be true.

Why would you call bollox on that. Because GW is such a large company that they know the ins and outs of the spray paint chemistry and its associated production industry for as long as they've made rattlecan paints? Or is it because GW is the type of company to spend millions in machinery to produce what?....the four different remain kinds of spray paints that GW currently is down to in their line (Skull White, Choas Black, Purity Seal,....and what else)? Facts are that there are companies that produce things for other companies....it's called outsourcing and a common practice That post that Krylon makes GW rattlecans I first heard that around 2005 when I went looking for exactly what the difference between regular primer and gaming miniature primer was supposed to be. IIRC Krylon made a formula for GW that would shrink as it dried to make sure details on miniatures...remained detailed and accessable to our small small brushes. Now the formula may be owned by (more to the point, exclusively used by) GW, but it was created by and produced by Krylon.

Maybe in 2012 if Krylon is not the manufacturer anymore, it would still certainly be another large spray paint manufacturer. I'll see if I can dig up some of those old net articles.

I've fallen in love with auto-primer since I started using it, so just switch to that if you can't find the Krylon primers in your area.

Cheaper than GW, will never get discontinued, and will always be stocked.

For those in the US, Hobby Lobby also carries Krylon primer, or at least they used to about 4 years back. I've since switched to black gesso to prime my stuff, but I always liked Krylon's primers. Sign up for their email list and regularly get 40% off coupons for items.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Avakael wrote:

and get me on an Australian government vandalism watchlist for importing large amounts of spraypaint.

WTF? Really?

South Australia is close enough to a police state that I'd be worried about that, yes.

Also, they're 26 dollars down here now. Goddamnit when the hell did they go up. Guess maybe it is worth looking up the other stuff in a local craft store...

If you live near an OSH you can get superior primer to Krylon for cheaper anyway. OSH brand spray primers come in White, Black, Grey (that is amazingly close to codex grey), and a Red that is pretty ruddy. Their $2.49 a can or $3.89 for a can twice the size of a regular one. Been using them for years, every one of my models in my Gallery is painted with them. In fact the Grey in my SW army is just the OSH Grey with details picked out, washed in Devlan and then high lighted.

Now I see why it is so hard to find Krylon Primers...

As a commission painter, I got through about 5 or 6 Krylon cans a week, but recently they have been harder to find...

Rustoleum makes great spray painter, quality is higher than Krylon but price is a tad bit higher too.

For those talking about the Color Place cans. Their black is okay, the white and the grey don't buy them. I swear it you would get better results by painting on GW Skull White. I bought five cans of each and didn't have ANY good greys or whites, the black is okay tough.

lord marcus wrote:

Lordhat wrote:

Arrathon wrote:If i may add in. I have a very small time painting buisness here in town (have not gone internet yet) I can't see spending 3$ on a can of paint, when the Store brand (wal-mart) The name is "Fast drying Spray Paint" in a blue can. it's .97$ to 1.07$ a can depending on color. I have never had trouble with it. It lays even and the grey and white come out nice and crisp. And the Matt black comes out ina nice super even solid matt finish. It also does dry fast,up to way less then half a hour. Hope this lil bit of info helps out!

+1. At my Wal-mart it's called "Color Place" and still comes in a blue can. The one dollar primer works much better then the GW spray paint, err "primer", and coats perfectly fine.

I was always wary of this stuff. does it hold paint well?

I've never had a problem with it holding paint. I've had worse problems with GW primer holding paint TBH.



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[quote=[So]Rice]Now I see why it is so hard to find Krylon Primers...

As a commission painter, I got through about 5 or 6 Krylon cans a week, but recently they have been harder to find...

Rustoleum makes great spray painter, quality is higher than Krylon but price is a tad bit higher too.

For those talking about the Color Place cans. Their black is okay, the white and the grey don't buy them. I swear it you would get better results by painting on GW Skull White. I bought five cans of each and didn't have ANY good greys or whites, the black is okay tough.

I've been using Krylon gray and white for over a year now, so the headline caught me off guard. Good thing these products will still be available, because I swear by them and have even gotten other people to buy them. I get mine from a craft store nearby, so no worries.

Just a couple of things I've noticed over the years.....

The "Cheap Wal-Mart Brand" black and white never used to give me a problem. But for some reason, ever since I came back to Michigan, The whites are completely hit or miss....like every third can seems chalky or does not adhere. I do not have that problem with the blacks....or at least not yet. (knock-knock). Maybe it has something to do with shipping? Maybe driving on the colder trucks up north makes it worse? I don't know, but any of the paints in Georgia, and Maryland that I bought did not have that problem. But once again, the black seems to always work well.

That being said, I tend to use that only when I am working on models while traveling....ie I buy some models and want to paint them, I pick up the walmart stuff (because the Krylon primer at Wal-mart has been gone around here for a bit.) I like using the Krylon Primers (so glad they are not going away), the Rust-o-Leum (Painters-Touch is great), and GW.

Any and all of these works, though I think the Rust-O-Leum is more temp/humidity fickle than the others. I have had a can spray bad (I ALWAYS test spray a bit before hitting models....it may waste a little paint, but rather that than a $70 tank or the time to clean it all off), then I switched to Krylon and it worked fine. And yet when I tried that same Rust-O can later (on another day) it was fine.

One other thing - I know that Krylon worked at one time with GW (and specifically brokered by GW US (like the original figure cases)), and that the formula was specifically made for GW, and is theirs exclusively (or was through 2000 for sure.). Any switch may have occurred, but I think GW would be more happy with a special formula from Krylon than anything else they could get. I even had a guy from Krylon correct me on my mixing of the paint can....roll it in circles so the marble makes it mix form the bottom instead of just shaking up and down. Was a bit surprised at the time.

dorantana wrote:Cool, well that will teach me to never believe what the Derps at Wal-Mart say. Regardless it still seems that Walmart will be switching over to the combo paint. All we have in our town is a walmart so thats the only option i have.

So it goes.... never trust a red shirt....OR a blue shirt!

Dupli-color sand-able primer, great in general and especially in humid areas like Florida.

Please let dead threads rest in peace.