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sebster wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:During WWII, the US was directly provoked,

Not by Hitler.

Um, actually, yes by Hitler.
Germany declared War on the United States of America in response to their declaration of War on Japan, thus bringing US intervention in the European theatre of war as well as the Asian one.

FWIW, here's Takei's opinion. It was interesting to me anyway.

George Takei wrote:Many fans have written and commented about KONY 2012 and Invisible Children. I applaud the fact that fans are researching and thinking critically about the movements they are asked to support. I caution, however, that "research" should not be limited to articles on reddit or tumblr, or blogs that cite political science students in Canada.

I do not endorse any particular organization, but do support the idea of publicizing KONY's name far and wide. For those interested, here is IC's official response to critiques.

corpsesarefun wrote:

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Slarg232 wrote:Well, tried to warn all my friends on facebook, but I don't think they beleive me.


Anyway, my job is done.

I don't have a chance of being believed, and i'm not a big fan of being called a horrible human being by people who can be so inspired by a 30-minute video that was funded using a large chunk of their previous earnings.

So i'm just watching, laughing, and being annoyed that they're clogging my news feed.

I'm not sure why but I've just realised you remind me of Rorschach from Watchmen.

I'm actually okay with that

sebster wrote:

Stormrider wrote:Let us PLEASE stop telling the world how to run their gak, thank you, that is all.

Yeah, who's to say they don't want to have a child abductor brainwashing their children into murdering people?

"Would someone think of the children?!"

Not my problem in the long run, what some two bit warlord with fractured support in Sub-Saharan Africa does is irrelevant to me. Sorry. Maybe if the folks over there cared enough, they'd do something about it without begging everyone else to clean up their "mess".

Kony is a poor man's Jim Jones.

Stormrider wrote:
Maybe if the folks over there cared enough, they'd do something about it without begging everyone else to clean up their "mess".

Kony is a poor man's Jim Jones.

Ah, yes, the Superman IV argument; wars end when people 'care' about them enough.
Of course.
Because it's not like they do care and that's why a civil war is going on.

EDIT: Oh, it seems they've 'cared' enough to almost completely defeat the LRA militarily.
You know, maybe you should look things up before assuming laziness in the face of a threat on the part of the people there.

Stormrider wrote:....Maybe if the folks over there cared enough, they'd do something about it without begging everyone else to clean up their "mess". Kony is a poor man's Jim Jones.

Your racism and prejudice is appalling. Even if you did prefix your comments with 'sorry' your attitude shows that you're not one bit sorry and your lack of knowledge shows your ignorance.

This is a problem that has been going on for 25 years, western nations have been profitiing from selling guns that find their way to the rebel groups and buying cheap raw materials so we can make i-phones and feel good about ourselves.

The reason a lot of Africa is poor is corruption, but its also exploitation by western nations.

I don't think Uganda, CAR, Southern Sudan (yes, that's a new country) and Congo are begging us to clean up their "mess", but I do think that there are huge human rights abuses that are going unanswered.

Maybe if folks over here cared enough we wouldn't leave our neighbours in a mess...


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s.j.mccartney wrote:

Stormrider wrote:....Maybe if the folks over there cared enough, they'd do something about it without begging everyone else to clean up their "mess". Kony is a poor man's Jim Jones.

Your racism and prejudice is appalling. Even if you did prefix your comments with 'sorry' your attitude shows that you're not one bit sorry and your lack of knowledge shows your ignorance.

This is a problem that has been going on for 25 years, western nations have been profitiing from selling guns that find their way to the rebel groups and buying cheap raw materials so we can make i-phones and feel good about ourselves.

The reason a lot of Africa is poor is corruption, but its also exploitation by western nations.

I don't think Uganda, CAR, Southern Sudan (yes, that's a new country) and Congo are begging us to clean up their "mess", but I do think that there are huge human rights abuses that are going unanswered.

Maybe if folks over here cared enough we wouldn't leave our neighbours in a mess...


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Whats the benefit to us? What will helping them do for us? Is it just for the so-called 'feel good' feeling...or do we actually get a profit from it?

Otherwise, I don't see the reason why we should, especially in a time of economic turmoil.

Perhaps to simply better humanity itself as a whole.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Perhaps to simply better humanity itself as a whole.

But that would require no less than some violence on our part, it's probably best to keep our hands clean until there is an imminent danger to us or our own prospects.
Personally,I feel the Ugandan government and military has the power to stop this man, they are trying and are making headway on their own. Why intervene if the side you support is on a path toward victory?

Obama has intervened. I suppose 25 years of letting one man rape pillage and brainwash his way across the countryside was too long a wait. The International Criminal Court has had Kony on their list for years. There must be a faster way towards victory than the one the Ugandan Government is slowly taking...

Nukes?

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Perhaps to simply better humanity itself as a whole.

At a big financial cost I'd wager...

Nukes?

I approve.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Perhaps to simply better humanity itself as a whole.

At a big financial cost I'd wager...

Nukes?

I approve.

Hm, you're more concerned about money than the betterment of our race and you approve of using nuclear weapons.. says a lot.

Godwin Bolter?

SMC wrote:Godwin Bolter?

What about it?

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Perhaps to simply better humanity itself as a whole.

At a big financial cost I'd wager...

Nukes?

I approve.

Hm, you're more concerned about money than the betterment of our race and you approve of using nuclear weapons.. says a lot.

Bettering our race is utterly pointless if we don't have the economy to back it up.

Private_Joker wrote:As to the use of his 4 year old, it may be controversial but hey it sent a message, even a 4 year old can be informed and make a difference.

The more I think about that part of the campaign, the more I like it. What it did more than anything is show people that this guy wasn't just chanting dreadlocked hippie that we all like assume campaigners are so we can dismiss, but he's a young Dad with a young son. That was enough to change how people looked at the video, and I think responsible for much of its success.

That's not to say I like anything else about the Kony2012 campaign, it's a simplistic look at an issue from a group that just screams fauxtivism.


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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Um, actually, yes by Hitler.
Germany declared War on the United States of America in response to their declaration of War on Japan, thus bringing US intervention in the European theatre of war as well as the Asian one.

The US prioritised the defeat of Hitler over and above the defeat of the Japanese. Considering a declaration of war by Germany to be a greater offence than the attack on Pearl Harbour by the Japanese is ridiculous.

As such, it becomes completely obvious that the US prioritised other considerations than who attacked directly attacked them.


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Stormrider wrote: "Would someone think of the children?!"

Umm, that saying is used to mock arguments that place moral arguments over rational thinking, particularly when that particular moral argument isn't actually in danger.

On the other hand, when children are actually being abducted, then it's actually really quite sensible to think of the children.

I can't believe I actually had to type that sentence. I mean, I honest and truly just had to explain to someone that when children are abducted it is sensible to show concern for those children. That's a thing I really, seriously had to do.

Not my problem in the long run, what some two bit warlord with fractured support in Sub-Saharan Africa does is irrelevant to me. Sorry. Maybe if the folks over there cared enough, they'd do something about it without begging everyone else to clean up their "mess".

Yeah, that's totally what's going on. This guy is still out there because people just don't quite care enough about the abduction of children. You really nailed it. Well done, and congrats on showing such an incredible level of insight into the complexities of a complex issue.

Obviously everyone who's studied the issue was just too burdened with facts to see through it quite as clearly as you did.

Kony is a poor man's Jim Jones.

You really, really need to read up on this. That statement is just fething ridiculous.

I mean, feth. Just fething try reading instead of just popping onto the internet to be smug about your ignorance.

Anyone here actually got one of those kits lol?

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Perhaps to simply better humanity itself as a whole.

There's not a single government in a world that gives a damn about bettering humanity.

Amaya wrote:There's not a single government in a world that gives a damn about bettering humanity.

Yeah, that's why government never ever spend money & time working with undeveloped countries to improve their infrastructure and the lives of their people.

I'm getting really bored with this lazy cynicism people put on to sound worldly.

Stormrider wrote:Let us PLEASE stop telling the world how to run their gak, thank you, that is all.

Team America: World Police!

AMERICA (Expletive Deleted) YEAH!

Screw it, I'm becoming an Australian warlord.

sebster wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Um, actually, yes by Hitler.
Germany declared War on the United States of America in response to their declaration of War on Japan, thus bringing US intervention in the European theatre of war as well as the Asian one.

The US prioritised the defeat of Hitler over and above the defeat of the Japanese. Considering a declaration of war by Germany to be a greater offence than the attack on Pearl Harbour by the Japanese is ridiculous.

As such, it becomes completely obvious that the US prioritised other considerations than who attacked directly attacked them.

Oh, I didn't say it was a greater offense than Pearl Harbour; you're right, that really would be ridiculous.
However, it could be argued that, with Germany's declaration of War, the USA had a valid reason to enter the European theatre, along with the perfectly adequate reasons presented to them to respond to Japan.



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sebster wrote:

Kony is a poor man's Jim Jones.

You really, really need to read up on this. That statement is just ridiculous.

I mean, . Just try reading instead of just popping onto the internet to be smug about your ignorance.

Having just noticed that quote, I spent the last two minutes laughing. How are these two even comparable, when their crimes aren't a bit alike?
It's like saying something like "Ah, that Genghis Khan, pfff. He's just a poor man's Fred West."

sebster wrote:

Amaya wrote:There's not a single government in a world that gives a damn about bettering humanity.

Yeah, that's why government never ever spend money & time working with undeveloped countries to improve their infrastructure and the lives of their people.

I'm getting really bored with this lazy cynicism people put on to sound worldly.

Keep buying into the propaganda.

Amaya wrote:

sebster wrote:

Amaya wrote:There's not a single government in a world that gives a damn about bettering humanity.

Yeah, that's why government never ever spend money & time working with undeveloped countries to improve their infrastructure and the lives of their people.

I'm getting really bored with this lazy cynicism people put on to sound worldly.

Keep buying into the propaganda.

yes, funny how the only ones supporting him are teenagers who'd support anything. it's a scam, and there will always be people like kony.

Huffy wrote:Sorry, but the LRA disbanded in 2006, not to mention that Invisible Children is pretty shady for a non-profit
here ya go!
http://seet.weebly.com/1/post/2012/03/concerning-kony-2012.html

i see. why Kony is really evil person.

if Abhisidh Vejjajeva did the same thing AGAIN in Thailand. he will face the same thing. he already had two killing sprees. massacre records in the consecutive years. the excuse is the 'security of Nation, Religion, and the Monarch' ....

check you ya hood. see if there's any black street gangsters supporting Kony. then call the cops to get rid of 'em or those outlaws will fund this tyrant with drug dealings.

L.

this is a good video

Eh, that's not really my point.

Every government is self serving and nationalistic. Politicians care more about their personal power and country's prestige than they do about bettering humanity. The amount of aid given by any western government is a pittance done to convince bleeding hearts that the government actually cares.

If the UN and the nations within it actually gave a damn, there would be an exponentially greater effort to improve Africa.

I personally think that America is the best example of being self serving. Our military involvements over the past 100 years have nearly always been to further our own goals and not better humanity. We've done terrible things in the Far East, South America, and the Middle East and have done nothing whatsoever to improve the lot of humanity in Africa even though it is within our power to do so.

I know I am a radical, but I strongly believe that a form of benovelent Imperialism (which has never occurred in human history) is needed for a worldwide betterment of humanity and no nation possesses the willpower or moral fiber to commit to such an action because it would take at a minimum decades or possibly centuries to improve human existence on all continents. The strong will always seek to oppress the weak.

Define "bettering humanity."

I tend to think the Taliban would tell you that's exactly what they were doing before the U.S. and its allies started messing with them.

Frazzled wrote:Not me. I'm not going to open a 30 minute youtube clip on anything.

I fixed that a bit to fit my own opinion of the subject.

This KONY thing is out of control lately, huh?