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Amaya wrote:.

Star Wars The Old Republic is renowned for having solid voice acting and for most classes excellent storylines. However, PvP is horribly imbalanced (it makes so called faction imblances in WoW laughable), endgame is nonexistent, and for every excellent zone (for example Imperial Balmorra) there is an eye gouging one (Taris).



Neverwinter Nights is widely overrated. Aside from character creation, it is bad and I can't not understand how I managed to tolerate as long as I did. I will give it this much, the combat was tolerable and the character creation was excellent. Sadly, mods for the game were frequently more inspired and interesting than the MQ, which is really quite sad.

Yes there is a faction inbalance, its players that cause that in SWTOR not bioware :p

And pvp isnt that inbalanced, unless your a baddy. You probly run around calling sorcs/sages OP im guessing ?

Neverwinter Nights was a fun game, there are many people who liked it, hardy a failure.



Saying Diablo 3 is going to be junk before its even out ?

Right.....

CuddlySquig wrote:Now I don't know much about this Mass Effect stuff, but I saw the end and I can imagine myself giggling like a maniac as I blow up the Earth. This whole Reaper business looked interesting but why is it such a big deal that you die at the end? The game's over. You don't miss on anything.

You only say this because you don't know much about this Mass Effect stuff. You don't care about the story or the characters, so all you've got to go by is the pretty lights.

Melissia wrote:That's just one ending, without context;

furthermore, people don't like it when you don't have an ending that is the omgwtfbest ending you can ever possibly get.

You're creating a false dichotomy. This is not like Mass Effect 1, where
This is like if Return of the Jedi ended with You've gone so far past "this is still an enjoyable ending" it's not funny.

Spyder68 wrote:

Amaya wrote:.

Star Wars The Old Republic is renowned for having solid voice acting and for most classes excellent storylines. However, PvP is horribly imbalanced (it makes so called faction imblances in WoW laughable), endgame is nonexistent, and for every excellent zone (for example Imperial Balmorra) there is an eye gouging one (Taris).



Neverwinter Nights is widely overrated. Aside from character creation, it is bad and I can't not understand how I managed to tolerate as long as I did. I will give it this much, the combat was tolerable and the character creation was excellent. Sadly, mods for the game were frequently more inspired and interesting than the MQ, which is really quite sad.

Yes there is a faction inbalance, its players that cause that in SWTOR not bioware :p

And pvp isnt that inbalanced, unless your a baddy. You probly run around calling sorcs/sages OP im guessing ?

Neverwinter Nights was a fun game, there are many people who liked it, hardy a failure.



Saying Diablo 3 is going to be junk before its even out ?

Right.....

Every now and then someone makes an extremely ignorant post such as yours and gets to go on auto ignore, but I'll refute your stupidity first.

1) In the future, please attempt to communicate with proper spelling, grammar, and sentence structure.

2) You are obviously unaware of animation delay issues and resource imbalances between Bounty Hunters and Troopers. At launch the Empire was favored in every possible way and most of these issues have not been addressed yet.

3) Simply because someone says a game's PvP is not balanced does not mean that they are bad at the game.

4) Neverwinter Nights was at best a resource for modders. Every other aspect of the game, other than character creation, was a step backwards from BG/BG2. I don't how Bioware managed to make the leap from the PoS that is NWN to KotOR in less than a year, but somehow they did.

5) Yes, Diablo 3 is going to suck. You can come to this to conclusion quite easily.

a) All of Blizzard's latest releases have been noticeably weaker. Cataclysm is worse than WotLK, SC2 is worse than SC (not to mention a massive rip off).
b) No major 90s franchise has received a sequel universally acclaimed as being on par or better than its predecessor.
c) Video game quality in general is perceived by many to be declining.
d) The first two Diablo games were massively overrated and fans of them suffer greatly from the RTG effect. For whatever reason, people like to cling to the old and bash the new. Even if Diablo 3 doesn't suck (which it will), many fans of the series will bash it and claim that D/D2 are better games.

Amaya wrote:4) Neverwinter Nights was at best a resource for modders. Every other aspect of the game, other than character creation, was a step backwards from BG/BG2.

I think you made a typo.

You obviously meant "forwards". NWN1 and 2 were worlds better in terms of gameplay than BG1 and 2.

5) Yes, Diablo 3 is going to suck. You can come to this to conclusion quite easily.

a) All of Blizzard's latest releases have been noticeably weaker. Cataclysm is worse than WotLK, SC2 is worse than SC (not to mention a massive rip off).
b) No major 90s franchise has received a sequel universally acclaimed as being on par or better than its predecessor.
c) Video game quality in general is perceived by many to be declining.
d) The first two Diablo games were massively overrated and fans of them suffer greatly from the RTG effect. For whatever reason, people like to cling to the old and bash the new. Even if Diablo 3 doesn't suck (which it will), many fans of the series will bash it and claim that D/D2 are better games.

Uhm what?

A. Of course they have been weaker, espeically in WoW. Anyone who makes even a minor attempt to read between the lines knows Blizzard implemented a dumb down policy post BC since it knew it could not keep subscriber numbers up without it. That does not mean they did not have the capability to make a great expansion, they simply chose not too, to keep subs coming in and accessibiity to the game easier. Do you thinky ounger kids seeing WoW for the first time are going to whip out their spreadsheets and calculate +hit gear modifers and fire res potentials for Ragnaros? Absolutely not. I cant comment on SC/SC2.
B. AvP, GTA, MarioKart, Mario, Zelda, System Shock 2 just about creeps into the 2000s so I'll lable it a 90s franchise too, Age of Empires. A few off the top of my head. All of the sequels to these games were better and were widely acknowdledged by both fans and industry critics as such.
C. So subjectively speculative as to be meaningless to the argument.
D. I'll agree there is always a touch of RTG in video games but outright claiming Diablo 3 is going to be "da suck" is nonsense. Have you anything conrete about the game itself to back this up or is it more subjective speculation?

Ratius wrote:A. Of course they have been weaker, espeically in WoW. Anyone who makes even a minor attempt to read between the lines knows Blizzard implemented a dumb down policy post

... warcraft 1 really.

D. I'll agree there is always a touch of RTG in video games but outright claiming Diablo 3 is going to be "da suck" is nonsense. Have you anything conrete about the game itself to back this up or is it more subjective speculation?

An auction house where items are bought and sold for real $$$? In a game where collecting loot and grinding to get the best gear was basically the whole point.

Activision has devoured Blizzard's soul and sold it on ebay to the highest bidder.

Well fair enough but I was taking WoW (MMO) as a stand alone
As touched upon above the mechanics and "hidden values" if you like in Vanilla and even BC arent even given the slighest nod in the later expansions.





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An auction house where items are bought and sold for real $$$? In a game where collecting loot and grinding to get the best gear was basically the whole point.

Conceded, on provision of seeing the actual implmentation of this.

However a total game wrecker? "da suck"?

Amaya wrote:

Spyder68 wrote:

Amaya wrote:.

Star Wars The Old Republic is renowned for having solid voice acting and for most classes excellent storylines. However, PvP is horribly imbalanced (it makes so called faction imblances in WoW laughable), endgame is nonexistent, and for every excellent zone (for example Imperial Balmorra) there is an eye gouging one (Taris).



Neverwinter Nights is widely overrated. Aside from character creation, it is bad and I can't not understand how I managed to tolerate as long as I did. I will give it this much, the combat was tolerable and the character creation was excellent. Sadly, mods for the game were frequently more inspired and interesting than the MQ, which is really quite sad.

Yes there is a faction inbalance, its players that cause that in SWTOR not bioware :p

And pvp isnt that inbalanced, unless your a baddy. You probly run around calling sorcs/sages OP im guessing ?

Neverwinter Nights was a fun game, there are many people who liked it, hardy a failure.



Saying Diablo 3 is going to be junk before its even out ?

Right.....

Every now and then someone makes an extremely ignorant post such as yours and gets to go on auto ignore, but I'll refute your stupidity first.

1) In the future, please attempt to communicate with proper spelling, grammar, and sentence structure.

2) You are obviously unaware of animation delay issues and resource imbalances between Bounty Hunters and Troopers. At launch the Empire was favored in every possible way and most of these issues have not been addressed yet.

3) Simply because someone says a game's PvP is not balanced does not mean that they are bad at the game.

4) Neverwinter Nights was at best a resource for modders. Every other aspect of the game, other than character creation, was a step backwards from BG/BG2. I don't how Bioware managed to make the leap from the PoS that is NWN to KotOR in less than a year, but somehow they did.

5) Yes, Diablo 3 is going to suck. You can come to this to conclusion quite easily.

a) All of Blizzard's latest releases have been noticeably weaker. Cataclysm is worse than WotLK, SC2 is worse than SC (not to mention a massive rip off).
b) No major 90s franchise has received a sequel universally acclaimed as being on par or better than its predecessor.
c) Video game quality in general is perceived by many to be declining.
d) The first two Diablo games were massively overrated and fans of them suffer greatly from the RTG effect. For whatever reason, people like to cling to the old and bash the new. Even if Diablo 3 doesn't suck (which it will), many fans of the series will bash it and claim that D/D2 are better games.

#2. Yes i am aware of the animation differences, i have a BH and Trooper tyvm, Its also there for Agent/Smuggler Sage/Sorc, Did you also know of the Heat/Ammo difference between the two classes ?
This has been common knowledge for a long time, and it is getting fixed, Most "Faction Inbalance" compaints are actual player numbers.

#3 Most of the time, Yes, this is the case, oh noes... i got killed by so and so class its Over powered! I dont know how many baddies i see back peddaling, Clickers, etc complaing about pvp inbalances that are not there.

#4 and #5, its all just your openion, have fun with that, i think GW2 is going to be terrible, but im not going to run around stating it till i see and play the finished product, i think the same about DMO.

Ignore me if you want im going to lose alot of sleep over it. Promise.

And yea, i could care less about proper Sentence structure, and exact spelling on a gaming forum.

You compared World of Warcraft to Mass Effect 2, Skyrim, and various other RPG's.

Your argument is invalid.

I haven't even had a chance to play Mass Effect 3 yet because of Origin fething everything up. I keep getting an EACore.dll error every time I start the game and it crashes.

Talked to 11 different people on the phone, hung up on 2 people who kept telling me to turn my antivirus and firewall off (I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT YET AMIRITE?)

One guy was competent and "forwarded it to the expert team" and then said if they couldn't figure it out, it would go straight to Bioware.

Trying to get a flash drive setup with Windows Vista because I know the error won't happen on that OS, but its not something I should have to do to play one game.

Karon wrote:I haven't even had a chance to play Mass Effect 3 yet because of Origin fething everything up. I keep getting an EACore.dll error every time I start the game and it crashes.

I had that problem when I tried to install BF3. I uninstalled the program and reinstalled (origin that is). Don't know if you've tried that yet but it worked for me *shrug*

EDIT: And I deleted the actual Origin file in my C drive, cause most companies take 'uninstall' as meaning delete most of the program but leave a bunch of crap still on the hard drive.

I don't have anything to lose, so I suppose I'll reinstall everything again and delete the actual origin folder.

AlexHolker wrote:

CuddlySquig wrote:Now I don't know much about this Mass Effect stuff, but I saw the end and I can imagine myself giggling like a maniac as I blow up the Earth. This whole Reaper business looked interesting but why is it such a big deal that you die at the end? The game's over. You don't miss on anything.

You only say this because you don't know much about this Mass Effect stuff. You don't care about the story or the characters, so all you've got to go by is the pretty lights.

I played most of the first game, which is why I mentioned the Reapers looking interesting. I'm sensing this Mass Effect outrage stemming from both an unconvincing plot and the audiences' disappointment in not getting a happy ending. I can understand the plot point of view (the reaper's motivation outlined by that ghost boy in the end of the game made no sense, for example) but it makes me a touch uncomfortable when people demand optimism and morality in things like this. Yeah, you died. But things won't always go your way.

There's three endings and they all pretty much suck.

CuddlySquig wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

CuddlySquig wrote:Now I don't know much about this Mass Effect stuff, but I saw the end and I can imagine myself giggling like a maniac as I blow up the Earth. This whole Reaper business looked interesting but why is it such a big deal that you die at the end? The game's over. You don't miss on anything.

You only say this because you don't know much about this Mass Effect stuff. You don't care about the story or the characters, so all you've got to go by is the pretty lights.

I played most of the first game, which is why I mentioned the Reapers looking interesting. I'm sensing this Mass Effect outrage stemming from both an unconvincing plot and the audiences' disappointment in not getting a happy ending. I can understand the plot point of view (the reaper's motivation outlined by that ghost boy in the end of the game made no sense, for example) but it makes me a touch uncomfortable when people demand optimism and morality in things like this. Yeah, you died. But things won't always go your way.

The issue with the ending isn't that it wasn't "Happy" (though that would have been nice). The problem is the ending is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JlmyWLyEEvw#t=1261s basically.