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Other examples of units that can target units without LoS have been covered and clarified as well, ie. Grey Knights:

Q: Does Astral Aim allow a Purgation Squad to fire out
of, or into, a vehicle/building that has no fire points?
(p29)
A: No.

As to the Eldritch Storm debate... one has to remember that codex overrides the brb.

Therefore,
PSAs require LoS as a general rule as per the FAQ to the brb,
and as the Codex states that all farseer psychic powers do NOT require LoS UNLESS specifically stated,
and Eldritch Storm does not specifically state that it requires LoS,
its is now a PSA that does not require LoS.

SaganGree wrote:As to the Eldritch Storm debate... one has to remember that codex overrides the brb.

False, and has never been true.

Specific overrides General.
The PSA rule is more specific than the Farseer rule. Therefore it requires LoS.

Hmmm...

So what you are saying is that an Eldar Skimmer that has Vectored Engines that generally states that vehicles that are not destroyed while going flat out with an immobilized result cannot happen because the brb specifically states that all vehicles that move flat out and are immobilized are destroyed?

As to specific vs general... its hard to get more general than the PSA. A PSA is akin to a Heavy weapon, or a Rapid Fire weapon, etc. They are general rules for the weapon types.

Most, if not all codexes have rules that make exceptions: All Terminators have Relentless for example. Vis a vis Farseers do not require LoS unless the power specifically requires it.

SaganGree wrote:So what you are saying is that an Eldar Skimmer that has Vectored Engines that generally states that vehicles that are not destroyed while going flat out with an immobilized result cannot happen because the brb specifically states that all vehicles that move flat out and are immobilized are destroyed?

No - in this case, the general rule is in the BRB, and the more specific rule (only applies to Eldar Skimmers with Vectored Engines) is in the codex.

As to specific vs general... its hard to get more general than the PSA. A PSA is akin to a Heavy weapon, or a Rapid Fire weapon, etc. They are general rules for the weapon types.

It's not really akin to any of that, but that's irrelevant.

The general rule for Farseer powers is that they don't require LoS - but the codex even states that specific rules in the powers can override this.
Eldritch Storm states that it's a PSA.
There is nothing in Eldritch Storm to say that it does not use LoS.

Most, if not all codexes have rules that make exceptions: All Terminators have Relentless for example. Vis a vis Farseers do not require LoS unless the power specifically requires it.

Correct on both counts.

In the case of Eldritch Storm, the power does state it's a PSA. It does not say that it overrides the LoS requirement.

This is one of those cases that I don't think has a good answer.

The Farseer rule is rather specific yet still somewhat general, but so is the rule requiring LOS for PSA. It's really hard to say which one is more specific in this case. I'm leaning toward the Farseer rule, as that only applies to the 5 powers a Farseer can take whereas the PSA rule applies to a ton of different PSA across multiple codexes.

But, the Farseer rule does say "unless otherwise noted". Does the fact that Eldrich Storm is a PSA mean it is "otherwise noted"?

I think a roll-off is the best solution, unless we get a FAQ answer. But, I wouldn't suggest you actually push this issue. If your Eldar opponent wants to use Eldrich Storm, jump for joy and be glad he's not using the good powers.

Not that this thread is actually about Eldritch Storm, but with Farseers I generally do not take this power, now that being said, when I use Eldrad, there have been ocassions where this power has proven very useful - in case of IG vehicles or a large mob of boyz,Nids or IG Platoon, I have found this power to be very usefull in the right circumstances. That being said, if I am taking a non-Eldrad Farseer, I never pay for this power as I believe Doom, Fortune and Guide to be great powers. Cheers all