Ork Painboy Point Cost?

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**Cplofmarines**

Sorry i was wrong

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sorry i was wrong.

**Bloodfever**

The weapon swap proves nothing, It is again, stopping people taking advantage of the rules. It is displayed as wargear for every member of the squad, if it did not say replace the slugga choppa then people would equip the painboy with slugga, choppa, urty syringe and dok's tools which would obviously be unfair.

Also, to reference the nobz section in the codex, nob and painboy upgrades are seperate with the exception of the 1st 2, which state 'the entire mob' to incorporate the painboy aswell.

**nosferatu1001**

"One nob may be"

Unless you have a nob first he cannot BE anything else.

You are flat out, 100% wrong.

**Bloodfever**

*sigh* Nob is the general term for an individual or member in a 'nobz squad', as well as a specific type of ork. The painboy fills a nob squad slot, it doesn't alter an already existing member.
If it was a typo then on nobz it would say 'one nob may be a painboy' but with flash gits it would say 'one flash git may be upgraded to painboy' It must be intended if it says the same thing on 2 separate sections.

**nosferatu1001**

**sigh**

The unit is composed of 3 - 10 nobz, of which one of those 10 nobs, when purchased, MAY be a painboy

the cost is 50 points. ALways has been, always will be.

**DeathReaper**

"One nob may be a painboy"

So if you have 0 nobs how many painboys can you have?

A: 0 since there is no nob to become a painboy.

Nos and the others with the same view are correct. Nob +he is a painboy = 50

**Bloodfever**

PLEASE show me in the codex where it says after the nob is purchased?

Also, please stop ignoring the fact 'nob' is the term for a member of a group to try and get your point across. Does nobody understand the concept of the group majority being used as a collective noun?

Actually, don't bother, this thread is going to

because of this 'debate' and I cba to exacerbate the situation or it getting personal.

Use 50pts if you want, i'll use 30, sorry for not coming to a definitive answer OP.

**DeathReaper**

It says it right here: "one nob may be a pain boy" you have to have a nob for him to be a painboy.

It is only you that thinks that way, everyone else agrees that "one nob may be a pain boy" means you purchase a nob, and that nob may be a painboy for the extra points.

Use 50 points because that is what everyone else will use*

*Save for a select few who incorrectly think otherwise.

**Lordhat**

Bloodfever wrote:
If it was a typo then on nobz it would say 'one nob may be a painboy' but with flash gits it would say 'one flash git may be upgraded to painboy' It must be intended if it says the same thing on 2 separate sections.

Yes, it means you must purchase the model to be upgraded, then pay to upgrade it in both sections. Have to side against you on this one. For it to work the way you say, the wording would have to be "The unit may contain a painboy for x points", or "+x points - add a Painboy to the unit."

**biccat**

"One nob may be a painboy."

Or it means you buy a "nob" (who is also a painboy) for 30 points.

But the bulk of the evidence points to the 50-point solution. If nothing else, it stops other people from complaining.

**nosferatu1001**

Bloodfever wrote:PLEASE show me in the codex where it says after the nob is purchased?

Where it says one Nob may BE

If you dont have a Nob, he cannot BE anything.

Bloodfever wrote:Also, please stop ignoring the fact 'nob' is the term for a member of a group to try and get your point across. Does nobody understand the concept of the group majority being used as a collective noun?

Actually, don't bother, this thread is going to because of this 'debate' and I cba to exacerbate the situation or it getting personal.

Use 50pts if you want, i'll use 30, sorry for not coming to a definitive answer OP.

Sure, just dont go to any tournaments with it being 30, as that is incorrect.

**Jidmah**

"Nobz 20 points per model
Nob [statline]
Painboy [statline]
[...]
Wargear
- Slugga
- Choppa
- Nob bikers are mounted on warbikes
- Painboy replaces slugga and choppa with dok's tools and 'urty syringe

[...]
One Nob may be a Painboy ... +30"
(Codex: Orks, page 98)

"Flash Gitz 25 points per model
Flash Gitz [statline]
Kaptin Badrukk [statline]
Painboy [statline]
[...]
Wargear
- 'Eavy armour
- Snazzgun
- Gitfinda
- Painboy replaces 'eavy armour, snazzgun and gitfinda with dok's tools and 'urty syringe

[...]
One Nob may be a Painboy ... +30"
(Codex: Orks, page 103)

Both entries explicitly tell you that each model costs 20/25 points. Both entries tell you that for that model to be a Painboy you have to add 30 points. So while technically you are not upgrading, in order to add a painboy, you have to pay 50 points, because if you just pay 30 you haven't paid the cost for the model yet, just the cost of the option. You were only ever correct if the line read "One xx may be a Painboy ... 30 points) without a plus(+).

As for the argument why a model has different costs across different units - that's completely normal across WH40k. Even in the ork codex itself, a PK nob with a BP costs 46 for boyz, 50 for 'ard boyz and 65 for warbikers, the exact same models cost 50, 55 and 75 in a nobz mob.