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Interesting mental exercise: what if WHFB/40k was purchased by WotC/Hasbro? M:tG is known for clear, black and white comprehensive rules. It might head for the direction of a more competition-friendly game.

Depends what Hasbro allots to it as far as budget.

Hasbro has a weird way it assigns budgets, and that's why M:TG gets lots of support, and D&D does not.

Dakka has been covering other games and smoothly going more hobby orientated than just GW orientated so I would assume everything would continue just the same really... Personally looking at what GW did to empire and paints and fcasts etcetc it's not like I'm exited about GW products updates... by the contrary.

Dakka would be perfectly fine. If GW dies then well-written fandexes would reach an all time high

It would take months or years for the hobby to die down completely by which time most dakka users have switched games.

Or it's a sign of the apocalypse O.o

Nom

mattyrm wrote:

Locclo wrote:

Racial transformation into a black dude?

I hope your aware I'm not the fat weird white bloke in make-up either!

Actually, I'm glad you cleared that up.

nomsheep wrote:Dakka would be perfectly fine. If GW dies then well-written fandexes would reach an all time high

So you mean instead of one well written fandex there'd be two?

Emerett wrote:If it did, Privateer Press would throw the biggest party in the history of Seattle.

I doubt it. GW's reach is getting to a lot of players the other companies have difficulty reaching. PP (and Battlefront) would need a more kid-friendly system to introduce players to the concept of miniatures gaming, and a way to actually get to all those kids. Even if the majority of those kids don't know there are any other manufacturers than GW, the ones who do are potentia competition recruits.

Dakka would go the way of Portent. Although GW didn't fold and Portent still folded. Whineseer would be my bet for the next GW site that doesn't make it though.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Depends what Hasbro allots to it as far as budget.

Hasbro has a weird way it assigns budgets, and that's why M:TG gets lots of support, and D&D does not.

I'm not sure that's weird. M:TG is a licence to print money due to the CCG mechanic.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Depends what Hasbro allots to it as far as budget.

Hasbro has a weird way it assigns budgets, and that's why M:TG gets lots of support, and D&D does not.

It may not be that weird. After 20 years MTG still sells its both easier to get into than D&D and needs people to buy more stuff.

I'd wager Magic makes more ,omey over all.

Locclo wrote:

mattyrm wrote:If Warhammer were to disappear I would instantly transform from my current state..

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To this..

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Racial transformation into a black dude?

Have to do something with all that left-over primer //ducks

mattyrm wrote:If Warhammer were to disappear I would instantly transform from my current state..




To this..

I hope you make snoop wear a condom, and you should put a shirt on before you catch a cold...

Brother SRM wrote:

nomsheep wrote:Dakka would be perfectly fine. If GW dies then well-written fandexes would reach an all time high

So you mean instead of one well written fandex there'd be two?

You mean one exists atm

Nom

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It may not be that weird. After 20 years MTG still sells its both easier to get into than D&D and needs people to buy more stuff.

I'd wager Magic makes more ,omey over all.

It's actually a Catch-22, similar to a "I need experience to get a job, but need a job to get experience" situation.

Once upon a time D&D was lumped in with M:TG as far as budgets were concerned, so Wizards could allocate the resources they needed. Eventually Hasbro changed their minds and split the two apart. D&D couldn't get the sales it needed because it didn't have the money to make the products they wanted, and the only way to make the products they wanted was to get sales they couldn't get. That's a gross simplification of the whole affair, but as I said, it's basically a Catch-22.

heartserenade wrote:Interesting mental exercise: what if WHFB/40k was purchased by WotC/Hasbro? M:tG is known for clear, black and white comprehensive rules. It might head for the direction of a more competition-friendly game.

Yes, but they are also known for a worse power creep curve than everyone whines about with GW. I got into minis around Aberrations, and no one was even using too many Harbinger or Dragoneye minis by then. Plus, with the way they run M:TG, you'd have rules and minis going in and out of circulation every year. Let's see the complainers justify that.

Either way, GW is not going anywhere out of business anytime soon.

Yeah...I like playing Magic, but I really hate how much it costs to build a competitive deck, and the fact that it will only be legal for about a year before you have to reinvest all that money into the next set building a new competitive deck. However the game is better balanced than GW could ever hope to achieve, there are good/broken cards for all colors it seems and many viable archetypes at any given time. There aren't any bs shenanigans like Marine domination in 40k, you don't normally have crap where one deck or color is just better than all the others.

Well there was Jace the Mind Sculptor, where splashing blue just for him instantly made any deck run better, but as far as I know current standard isn't quite as lame.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Depends what Hasbro allots to it as far as budget.

Hasbro has a weird way it assigns budgets, and that's why M:TG gets lots of support, and D&D does not.

It may not be that weird. After 20 years MTG still sells its both easier to get into than D&D and needs people to buy more stuff.

I'd wager Magic makes more ,omey over all.

The thing with Magic is that it requires players to buy cards on a continual basis to keep up-to-date, and new sets come out right around ever 3-4 months, plus every single player who wants to stay up to speed has to buy cards. Dungeons & Dragons, on the other hand, requires only one person in a group to buy the new book - I know at least in my little gaming group, we had a single communal copy of the core books that were passed around so people could read them (not to mention pdfs acquired on the high seas, cough cough). That's easily 6-10 people that all benefit from a single $30 book (or whatever the price is), even more if the group is larger and doesn't mind sharing. Not to mention the fact that D&D is one of those games where a vast number of fans will outright refuse to play the new edition, choosing instead to play using older rules.

Honestly, it's no surprise at all that MTG makes more money. There's not a whole lot to buy for D&D other than getting the books, and virtually all of them are just extra gubbins that don't come up unless the DM says they do.

If GW closed up and the titles ceased to be I think in the uk at least there would be a significant reduction in the sci fi/fantasy community for quite some time until there were enough shop start ups to fill the gap left by the loss of 300+ GW stores. I really do think that GWs high steer presence is that important here in drawing players in. Word Of mouth alone will not be the same.

I would invisage there being that many stores replacing GW ones so ultimately wargaming would be smaller and less well known as a result of GWs passing.

Historical wargaming, role playing and boardgameswoukd be largely unaffected.

I could also see all of those gaming/miniature companies that follow GWs pricing lead reducing prices since they would now be in true completion with each other without the umbrella presence of GW and the many ex-GW Players they pick up. I could see a few being adversely affected by this I.e. more going down the drain.

Obviously some would continue to play, others would stop...either moving to other games, or other hobbies all together.

On thing that is for sure, prices for GW on sites like Ebay would skyrocket.

Put the money I spent into GW models into cocaine, only way I could probably tolerate the Privateer Press following.

Shadowbrand wrote:Put the money I spent into GW models into cocaine, only way I could probably tolerate the Privateer Press following.

I expect some other sites would experience a massive influx of haters and trolls.

If Warhammer were to disappear, I think our community would
become more like the historicals one that currently exists. We'd
trend older, we'd have a harder time gaining new players, and the
diehards would be the one to stay with any given game system.

There'd suddenly be space for a plethora of rules sets but fewer
people to play the ones that exist. More custom rules would
appear, but again there'd be fewer people to play them.

Even ancillary games would see a temporary bump, but then
they'd see the long decline into become even more niche than
it is today.

iflywhirlybirds wrote:Can anyone say battletech? Its gone through the hands of AT LEAST 3 different companies and I would argue that its rule are better than ever now

Which is high praise for the people who wrote the original rules. Aside from all the new technology and a mild change to vehicle construction, there has been only ONE change in the way the actual game rules work in 27+ years. (The partial cover rules, by the way.) Everything else is EXACTLY the same as I played in 1985 when it was called Battledroids.

EDIT: Oh, and if GW disappeared, I'd start trying to get people to play Mantic's Kings of War. It's pretty similar - probably due to it being written by an ex-GW writer.

Well, we all pretty much know and own the rule books by heart. Dakka would definatly lose members but as a whole I think it could live on. It's not GW that makes the hobby, it's me and you.

kenshin620 wrote:What would happen to the hobby with this vacuum?

The hobby (the REAL hobby, not the travesty that GW dictates as "The Hobby") would flourish.

Seriously. GW have railroaded peoples thoughts into one type of wargaming for so long even a slightly imaginative and creative product would look obscenely fabulous.

Companies would be more likely to take risks. Real risks. Because the major competition has left the building.

It would be nothing but a good thing for the hobby.

Now Game shops, on the other hand, will be hurt by this. Magic the gathering is the main bread winner for most shops, but many shops, GW is still a fairly major selling point.

But Magic sales will keep them afloat as the yoke of GW is lifted from their consumer base and new products move in to fill the void.

This isnt a biased rant against GW. Lots of industries this effect is felt in and the miniature wargaming industry is not very much different. Once better options arise, a lot of people wouldnt give a shiny rats ass about another company buying the rights to 40K/WHFB. The dead company that would be GW would ask too much for the mismanaged IP anyways.

Monster Rain wrote:I expect some other sites would experience a massive influx of haters and trolls.

Lol, unfortunately they are all already full of those from my experiance