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nosferatu1001 wrote:

kmdl1066 wrote:Jump pack IC with unit of foot. IC declares he is leaving the unit and moves 8" forward. So far so good. They''re clearly two units being moved interdependently. Later in the movement phase the foot unit moves forward 6". End of the movement phase the IC is within 2" of a unit (the foot unit) and so must join the unit. IC declares a charge against an enemy that is within charge range of the IC but out of charge range of the foot. Lucky thing they're one unit now, right?

So you have to house rule the house rule to say that if the IC does move off from the unit using the jump pack, the unit cannot then trundle up to within 2" of the IC.

Which never works, ever.

You have not left the unit until the end of the movement phase, as that is when you cehck coherency. So you are constrained by moving 6" a turn

Agreed, if you play RAW it doesn't work. If you play RAW, the IC has to move at the speed of the slowest model in the unit. But you did say :

nosferatu1001 wrote:WHile that is correct RAW, it is quite common to play that the IC regains those rules as he moves away, and can also use items such as jump packs, bikes etc.

and I responded that if you play this house rule you will get silly situations. Like the one I described. Which is not RAW. Which is why you should play the RAW and only let the IC move 6".




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insaniak wrote:Whether or not you allow the IC to move with his own rules, that doesn't work. The IC leaves the unit as the unit moves. You can't move the IC, go do other movement, and then come back to the unit the IC was with.

Oh I probably misunderstood how the house rule nos was talking about was supposed to work. But if you had two units close to each other with the IC attached to one, the IC could extend the charge range of the other unit. Which is an admittedly contrived situation.

Nonetheless, the point remains that if you're going house rule to let the IC move further when leaving the unit, you're going to hit unanticipated situations. So its better to just play by the rules.

reps0l wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKrBKPuYbng

I was incorrect...they don't show an IC jumping ahead to bring the unit into assault, just the IC leaving and using its MtC in the same movement phase. Sorry.

Hmmm.. Seems the guy in the Beasts of War video got the rules totally wrong.

I guess another interesting thought is that if the IC was in the middle of a squad he was leaving, do you technically have to move through another unit which is technically illegal movement if there wasn't space between bases?

Yes, you could not move just the IC - but thats fine, you move the unit and ensure the IC ends up more than 2" away

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, you could not move just the IC - but thats fine, you move the unit and ensure the IC ends up more than 2" away

But the overall point of the vid was to separate the IC to increase your chances to get into assault. If you can't separate the IC forward for an advantage, you might as well move the IC+Unit as a single unit.

The point of the vid is that BoW are very good at making basic rules errors, so I would always have that in mind when viewing their videos

You cannot separate the IC from the unit and have him rejoin the unit in the same phase, as that means he never left.

The IC does not leave the unit then rejoin. Just leaves and uses IC abilities in the same movement phase. My last post was referring back to the poster asking what to do if the IC was in the middle of the unit.

But I understand where you are coming from and agree.

No point spending more brain cells defending an iffy vid made by people I do not know.