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I have no problem if somebody wants to try something new and uses a similar size model, like a balrog for a blood thirster or a falcon for a fire prism I also like to see count as armies, can’t when you play Arbites, but I hate to play a game against an army of empty bases. My friend does it to me all the time and I hate it. It is so annoying to think that you go through all of the time and effort to paint an army only to square off against empty bases

I don't really get this "proxying" thing. I'm not exactly rolling in dough here, but if I like a model, I buy it. And then I use it. And if it sucks, I put it in the box and wait for the next edition of my codex: what has risen will fall, and what has fallen will rise. Is there anything out there that has actually been bad, consistently, for more than one or two iterations of the codex in a row?

I don't mean to be a jerk, but it seems to me that that's just part of the wargaming hobby: you buy stuff that you hope will be cool, and sometimes it turns out that it isn't cool, and you have to put it away and hope it improves in the next codex, or strip it, hack it apart, and use it as spare parts for conversions. It's the circle of wargaming life. Frankly, rampant proxying "to see if I like it" strikes me as a little wimpy.

ElectricPaladin wrote:I don't really get this "proxying" thing. I'm not exactly rolling in dough here, but if I like a model, I buy it. And then I use it. And if it sucks, I put it in the box and wait for the next edition of my codex. I don't mean to be a jerk, but it seems to me that that's just part of the wargaming hobby

Yes, wysiwyg is, in fact, part of the hobby. The problem is that it's really expensive to play this way, unless you have some mad conversion skills, which not everybody has.

Forcing a person to use worse weapon upgrades just because they've been glued down that way means that success on the field is partially determined by your skills as a modeller, or worse, how wealthy you are. If I wanted to play a game where how much money your parents made determined your ability to succeed, I'd go back to playing MTG...

Ailaros wrote:

ElectricPaladin wrote:I don't really get this "proxying" thing. I'm not exactly rolling in dough here, but if I like a model, I buy it. And then I use it. And if it sucks, I put it in the box and wait for the next edition of my codex. I don't mean to be a jerk, but it seems to me that that's just part of the wargaming hobby

Yes, wysiwyg is, in fact, part of the hobby. The problem is that it's really expensive to play this way, unless you have some mad conversion skills, which not everybody has.

Forcing a person to use worse weapon upgrades just because they've been glued down that way means that success on the field is partially determined by your skills as a modeller, or worse, how wealthy you are. If I wanted to play a game where how much money your parents made determined your ability to succeed, I'd go back to playing MTG...

I wasn't clear enough - actually, I'm totally ok with "the flamer on this guy is actually a meltagun." What I don't have a lot of patience for is "this paint pot is actually an Eldar Guardian."

Ailaros wrote:
Yes, wysiwyg is, in fact, part of the hobby. The problem is that it's really expensive to play this way, unless you have some mad conversion skills, which not everybody has.

Forcing a person to use worse weapon upgrades just because they've been glued down that way means that success on the field is partially determined by your skills as a modeller, or worse, how wealthy you are. If I wanted to play a game where how much money your parents made determined your ability to succeed, I'd go back to playing MTG...

Pretty much this. If someone does not want to play me cause I used a stand in or a non GW fig, then I really have no desire to game with them anyhow. %00 point is a small base army and that alone get rank up in price, even more so after paint and so books. Asking someone to buy all that just to try an army , they may not even like is a bit much.

ElectricPaladin wrote:I wasn't clear enough - actually, I'm totally ok with "the flamer on this guy is actually a meltagun." What I don't have a lot of patience for is "this paint pot is actually an Eldar Guardian."

Sure, and dubious proxies are dubious of course. Usually I let things slide, especially because the people I game with are generally pretty good about things (at least having the real model or something very akin where it's more or less weapon swaps). The only times I've come across really awful proxying was playing against young gamers, and in that case I just sort of feel bad for them.

Surtur wrote:

LOL I enjoyed this hahahaha