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I had a look at the Combined Army, and I have to admit that despite the anime feel they do look pretty sweet.
Especially those drones, which look nice and freaky looking.

Are the miniatures in metal or plastic? And are there weapon options?

All metal. The drones do come with different arms so can pick out the ones you want. The drones are one of the things that drew me to the CA. I love the snake like doctor/engineer Mechanoid with his little buddy drones as well.

Hmm Maybe after I finish all of the Warhammer stuff I'll have a shot at it.
Might be interesting.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I'm curious about infinity myself.
By the looks of it, it appears to be a cyberpunk-esque skirmish game with anime elements that is reminiscent of the old syndicate DOS game.
How close am I?

And do you paint the miniatures? How hard are they to paint? The appear a lot smaller than GW miniatures.

Oh, anyone necron equivalents? I love me some killer robots

If you also want to compare it to a video game, that recent Indie game Frozen Synapse is a great comparison.

Painting miniatures may be a problem if you layer on too thick. They are noticeably thinner than GW models, but not that much smaller overall. They have tons of details which is a Godsend if you're into using washes. Washes f the correct colors will flow into the plentiful crevasses.

I want to disagree with CDK here. The Necrons are basically hard-to-kill machines that were formerly flesh with negligible emotion. Aleph fits here. Almost all Aleph operatives are either fully machines, or synthetically-manufactured Lhost bodies. The overarching AI that controls everyone is the titular ALEPH itself. Seems closest to Necrons.
Aleph is basically what Skynet would be if it had not gone rogue, and the Aleph units are Terminators that don't have to concern themselves with looking scary.

Absolutionis wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I'm curious about infinity myself.
By the looks of it, it appears to be a cyberpunk-esque skirmish game with anime elements that is reminiscent of the old syndicate DOS game.
How close am I?

And do you paint the miniatures? How hard are they to paint? The appear a lot smaller than GW miniatures.

Oh, anyone necron equivalents? I love me some killer robots

If you also want to compare it to a video game, that recent Indie game Frozen Synapse is a great comparison.

Painting miniatures may be a problem if you layer on too thick. They are noticeably thinner than GW models, but not that much smaller overall. They have tons of details which is a Godsend if you're into using washes. Washes f the correct colors will flow into the plentiful crevasses.

I want to disagree with CDK here. The Necrons are basically hard-to-kill machines that were formerly flesh with negligible emotion. Aleph fits here. Almost all Aleph operatives are either fully machines, or synthetically-manufactured Lhost bodies. The overarching AI that controls everyone is the titular ALEPH itself. Seems closest to Necrons.
Aleph is basically what Skynet would be if it had not gone rogue, and the Aleph units are Terminators that don't have to concern themselves with looking scary.

Yes, I had a look at ALEPH as well. Whilst I do agree that they are closer to necrons, they are also a bit too...anime. I don't like the proportions on the mechs, though I do agree that the myrmidons do look pretty sweet.
I also had a look at the rules. I don't quite understand the army list composition.
So I could only have a certain number of certain units, but is this referring to squads, or individual models?
And out of such a minimal selection, how will I build up the army to 400 points?

And in the Human Sphere rules, it speaks of sectorial armies. What are they? Are they the different factions in each army?
So if I were to go Combined Army and do a sectorial army, I can only go...charontides (I think their called that...dunno what faction they belong to) and nothing else?

It's referring to individual models. If you look at, for example, the Morat Vanguard unit, it has AVA: Total. You can take as many Morat Vanguard models as you wish.
But if you look at the Suryat unit, it has AVA: 2. You're only allowed to take 2 Suryats.

300pt is a better value for most games. Don't expect most games to go about this value. Considering many units cost between 10pt and 50pt, you shout have pretty much around 10 models in your list at 300pt. I'm unsure how you're seeing this as a minimal selection. There are more unit types per faction in Infinity than any Codex in 40k. The biggest restriction is that you're only going to have 10-ish models in your list, so your options are all over the place.

Sectorials are sub-factions of a sort. If you're starting out, it's best to stick with the main factions.
Sectorials allow you to take more of certain units at the cost of not being allowed to take others. The Morat Aggression Force, for example, allows you to take more of the aformentioned heavy armored Suryats (AVA:5 now instead of AVA:2) at the cost of not being able to take any Shasvastii, Anathematics, Avatars, etc.

Additionally, Sectorials allow you to form Link Teams which require a bit of reading.

Absolutionis wrote:It's referring to individual models. If you look at, for example, the Morat Vanguard unit, it has AVA: Total. You can take as many Morat Vanguard models as you wish.
But if you look at the Suryat unit, it has AVA: 2. You're only allowed to take 2 Suryats.

300pt is a better value for most games. Don't expect most games to go about this value. Considering many units cost between 10pt and 50pt, you shout have pretty much around 10 models in your list at 300pt. I'm unsure how you're seeing this as a minimal selection. There are more unit types per faction in Infinity than any Codex in 40k. The biggest restriction is that you're only going to have 10-ish models in your list, so your options are all over the place.

Sectorials are sub-factions of a sort. If you're starting out, it's best to stick with the main factions.
Sectorials allow you to take more of certain units at the cost of not being allowed to take others. The Morat Aggression Force, for example, allows you to take more of the aformentioned heavy armored Suryats (AVA:5 now instead of AVA:2) at the cost of not being able to take any Shasvastii, Anathematics, Avatars, etc.

Additionally, Sectorials allow you to form Link Teams which require a bit of reading.

Oh yeah, I looked at link teams.
My head began to hurt

So if I went pure...whatever faction Anathematics, Charonites and Drones belong to...I'll be stuck with only a certain number of them? Since they generally have AVA 1-2?
Well, are they good though? Or will it be pointless, since they can't have linked?

If you're starting out, stick with the normal Combined Army faction. Later, you can simply choose to field a Sectorial. The units are the same, it's just that the availabilities have been increased and decreased.

I guess if you were to make a 40k analogue, the main army is like having a Space Marine army. If you were to choose a "White Scars" sectorial, the availability of bikers and landspeeders increases whereas you'll not be allowed to take any Thunderfire Cannons or Whirlwinds and such. I know the 40k rules aren't really like this, but the example stands.

Yes, if you went pure Combined Army, your availability of these units are limited based on their AVA-value. This is essentially stating that AVA:Total units such as Morat Vanguard are the 'base' troops in the army whereas things such as the Anathematics and Sphinxes are much less common in deployment.

Also, note the rules around SWC when it comes to list-building. This essentially prevents the spamming of special weapons and such. You get 1 SWC allotment every 50pt your list is. If you're playing a 150pt game, you have a SWC allotment of 3. 300pt games allow 6 SWC.

Think of the combination of SWC and the AVA values to be an analogue to the Force Organization chart. You have to take a Lieutenant (HQ) and you can't spam too much of one unit unless they're common (Somewhat like how Troops are common, etc)... except you're never required to take any specific models. If you can pull it off, you can make an entire list out of a variety of AVA:1 models.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:So if I went pure...whatever faction Anathematics, Charonites and Drones belong to...I'll be stuck with only a certain number of them? Since they generally have AVA 1-2?

Yes, but Anathematics and Charontids are about 80 pts each, so you wouldn't be able to take many of them anyway!

In Infinity, a single model is a rough equivalent to an entire squad in a game of 40k. I've also described it as a bit like putting together an action movie special forces squad - you'll have a squad made up of a handful of specialists who'll all add their own talents to the overall whole.

Well, are they good though? Or will it be pointless, since they can't have linked?

In Infinity, the rules are well enough balanced that the answer to most things is "they're worth about what their points say they are". There are no real good/bad choices, which is something it can take a bit of getting used to from 40k where things are often "must haves" or "must avoids".

Link teams are cool, but they get downsides as well as bonuses.

Yeah, I had another give glance at the wazname stats.
They do seem fairly durable, usually having 2 wounds each or so.

Anathematics not only have 2 Wounds, they have "No Wound Incapacitation" which is sort of like an extra wound. They also have 5 Armor, making them resilient when hit. They have TO Camouflage, which allows them to, in 40k terms, deploy similar to Ymgarl Genestealers.

They can also take arguably the scariest weapon in the game - The Sepsitor. It's so scary it has a block of text explaining how it works.
It's essentially a permanent mind-control device that works through walls. Kinda overcosted most of the time, but it's hilarious.

Absolutionis wrote:Anathematics not only have 2 Wounds, they have "No Wound Incapacitation" which is sort of like an extra wound. They also have 5 Armor, making them resilient when hit. They have TO Camouflage, which allows them to, in 40k terms, deploy similar to Ymgarl Genestealers.

They can also take arguably the scariest weapon in the game - The Sepsitor. It's so scary it has a ton of rules explaining how it works.
It's essentially a permanent mind-control device that works through walls.

Oh sweet! So they are pretty much the nightmare race of Infinity, a lot like the old school necrons then?

Oh, if you're going for the 'nightmare' race, Combined Army is your thing.

They're somewhat more like Tyranids in that respect. They have a 'hive mind' Enhanced Intelligence, they do not negotiate, and their goal is to engulf humanity by force (supposedly). They also have the highest and most alien tech. Sepsitors, Plasma weapons, etc.

I can actually agree about Aleph/Necrons but I was thinking more from a looks POV too.

The big EI guys are literally the monsters of the game. Heavy armor, big weapons, and other nasty tricks. but yes they are expensive.

One thing in this game too is the great equalizer. The crit roll. If you roll EXACTLY what you need to shoot or cc attack there is no armor save. Doesn't matter how tough you are. And hope it's not with special ammo like Double Action, Shock, or monofilament.

Ok, I tried to have a look at the sectorial army rules, and I still don't get it.
Where does it say how to build one, and where do I put the Mechadroid and anathematics?
And do I get more AVA for certain units? I'm so confused.

For one, there's the Army Builder. Everything is there. Click the sectorial you want and build a list.

The Anathematics are not available for any of the sectorials. This is the drawback. You get more AVA for many of the units, but most of the other units are simply unavailable.
I guess it's also interesting to note that some Sectorials can get units from other factions. The PanO and YuJing get Aleph units in sectorials and Haqqislam and Nomads get legit Mercs.

As for the Sectorial lists in the army lists pdf, check the last pages of the Human Sphere. It has a listing of several sectorials with modified AVA. If the unit you want is not in that list, you can't take it for the given sectorial.

When I started playing Infinity, I was the ONLY player in my area (three-four years ago). I had to travel down the coast for an hour to get games with other players.

Since then, I've converted 4 players in my own club to the cause (some of them played 40k, some play fantasy instead), one member of another club, and one guy who became our local Infini-crack dealer because of the game (and those last two converted up around 36 players between them).

WE now have the largest group of players in our state (and probably the country). Split up amongst three clubs, yet combining for one meet a month at one of the clubs where it's just a huge day of gaming and beer and "man day stuff". And we're only a "regional" centre - the state capital and largest city in the country (Sydney) has maybe a dozen players all up.

We didn't even have to push the game that hard, it sells itself. The minis, the interactivity of the combat (I-go, U-go is sooooo dated). The fact it was a skirmish game with a handful of models also appealed to them (several of whom remembered 40k being one once upon a time.)

For convenience here's a link for the army builder
http://infinitythegame.com/dt_army/

Playing around with the armybuilder helps I think.

Combined army can do two sectorals. Morat Aggresion force or Shasvastii Epeditiionary force. I do the Shasvastii myself.

Ok, and what do I do to get the anathematics?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Ok, and what do I do to get the anathematics?

You have to go with a "regular" Combined Army since the sectorials can't take one of those.

EDIT: You can also down these two documents:

1. http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/downloads/army-lists/[en]ArmiesHS.pdf
2. http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/downloads/army-lists/[en]ArmyAndWeapon.pdf

You can use both lists to construct your army. Just follow the AVA, points and SWC. Should be no problem. If you're looking for the sectorial lists, they're on page 35 of the first document (1). You'll see Morat Aggression Force and Shasvastii Expeditionary Force. There you have listed all the units you are allowed to take in that particular sectorial and how many of each units (AVA) you can take.

Inanimate wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Ok, and what do I do to get the anathematics?

You have to go with a "regular" Combined Army since the sectorials can't take one of those.

Oh, so the options in the human sphere list can be used with a normal list in a normal game?

Yes. The unit entries in the HS book are a valid part of the "normal" lists.

Oh ok.
That's good to know.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Ok, I tried to have a look at the sectorial army rules, and I still don't get it.
Where does it say how to build one, and where do I put the Mechadroid and anathematics?
And do I get more AVA for certain units? I'm so confused.

Ok, with the Combined Army there are two sectorials. They are based on alien races, so, one is the Morats.



Red faced Ape like warriors with lots of "Never surrender" rules.

The other one is the Shasvastiis.

Skinny evil aliens with some "hide and surprise" tactica and skills.

But you are interested in the Anathematic that doesn't belogn to any of those alien races. So, you should play a generic Combined army list that allows you to pic any unit in the Combined Army list.
So you can combine Shasvastiis with Morats with Exrahs with anything from the aliens list you want.

Let me recommend you an army list with the Anathematic:

COMBINED ARMY
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1 (Regs: 9/Irrs: 1):

ANATHEMATIC Lieutenant Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW (87)
MOV:4-2 CC:16 BS:13 PH:13 WIP:16 ARM:5 BTS:-6 W:2
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Mnemonica
CH: TO Camouflage, V: No Wound Incapacitation, Lieutenant

Q-DRONE HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse (29 | 1)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
CH: Mimetism, Total Reaction, Repeater, 360º Visor

M-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse (23)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Forward Observer, Multiterrain, Repeater, Sensor

MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (23)
MOV:6-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Engineer, Doctor

2x SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse (3)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Servant
CH: Mimetism

2x ÍMETRON Electric Pulse (4)
MOV:- CC:- BS:- PH:8 WIP:- ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous
AD: Combat Jump, AI Beacon

2x YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW (42 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:16 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Morat
Multispectral Visor L2

RASYAT (Martial Arts L3) Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW (35)
MOV:4-2 CC:18 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Morat
AD: Combat Jump

PRETA Chain Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines (Biomines) / CCW (5)
MOV:6-6 CC:17 BS:7 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Irregular, Impetuous, No Cube
V: Dogged, Poison


300 Points | SWC: 4

ARMY CODE: eNozNVQ1NFMzUTOsMTZSMwBRhhDKAEKZolBmyJShkZoxEmUMFjSyBFEALm0S0A==
Army Infinity v.3.0. - http://www.devilteam.com



So this will look like:
Having one of these. Anathematic, your Lt. but a really powerful troop.


Having this remotes


Having this Support troops that repair and heal everyone


Having two fo this excellent Snipers


And this para-trooper that is an excellent attacking troop. Make him jump close to the enemy and deliver love.


Just one of this beasts to fill the list.


And use a couple of markers to represent the Imetron IA beacons, becauyse they have released no miniature yet.

The nice thing with the anathematic is the TO camo. He will be nothing but a camo marker until he does something and out pops this monster!

I'm afraid that force is illegal, BobbaFett. There's remotes with no controller. (The Slave Drones are controlled by the Med-Tech, but the M and Q drones will need a hacker or TAG.)

So, how much will an Infinity army cost me?

Depends on how far you choose to take it and what you want in a force, but to give examples, Corvus Belli's sample 300 pt armies come in at the €65-100 range. TAGs and Remotes tend to push this towards the higher end.

Sorry forgot Anathematic is not a TAG. He's close but not. To have remotes you need either a TAG or a Hacker.

I got a good army for under $100. Shasvastii Starter set and about three other minis.

The EI guys cost a bit more. The Anathematic is a boxed piece that's around $45. The Skiavoro is about $15, Charontid around the same.

Here is an all EI list I tried to make. It's really not bad. The thing I don't like is the Imetrons. They are nothing but little communication things that drop in at deployment. I always choose the wrong spot or they deviate to it.

COMBINED ARMY
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1 (Regs: 8/Irrs: 0):

ANATHEMATIC Lieutenant Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW (87)
MOV:4-2 CC:16 BS:13 PH:13 WIP:16 ARM:5 BTS:-6 W:2
CH: TO Camouflage, V: No Wound Incapacitation, Lieutenant

CHARONTID Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW (82 | 0.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:15 BS:13 PH:14 WIP:16 ARM:5 BTS:-6 W:2
V: No Wound Incapacitation, Hacking Device Plus

SKIÁVORO Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW (53 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:16 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:16 ARM:3 BTS:-3 STR:1
CH: Mimetism, Strategos L2, V: No Wound Incapacitation

2x ÍMETRON Electric Pulse (4)
MOV:- CC:- BS:- PH:8 WIP:- ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
AD: Combat Jump, AI Beacon

R-DRONE Electric Pulse (8)
MOV:6-6 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
CH: Mimetism, Multiterrain, Repeater

Q-DRONE HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse (29 | 1)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
CH: Mimetism, Total Reaction, Repeater, 360º Visor

MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (23)
MOV:6-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Engineer, Doctor

2x SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse (3)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
CH: Mimetism


296 Points | SWC: 3

ARMY CODE: eNozNVQ1NFMzUTOsMTRVMwRRhmDK2EzNAIkygVBGEMoAQpkiUQA6Jg+w Army Infinity v.3.0.

MarcoSkoll wrote:I'm afraid that force is illegal, BobbaFett. There's remotes with no controller. (The Slave Drones are controlled by the Med-Tech, but the M and Q drones will need a hacker or TAG.)

You are right, I totally forgot about the Anathematic being a Hi. I was thinking it was a TAG.


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:So, how much will an Infinity army cost me?

A 300pts tournament legal army can cost less than a 100$ if you choose the right troops. Well if you are looking for that kind of list, of course.
As MarcoSkoll linked there, even CB published examples of armies that only cost around 60€, and that is with official prices, some online stores offer huge discounts.

This Yu Jing list is less than 60€ through maelstrom.