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you mean Volley Fire? I've not found it that useful to be honest.

Honestly I find volley only really useful on goblins and hobbits because they have the numbers so that hitting on sixes isn't really an issue, although it can be useful to hit some low defense stuff that your archers otherwise couldn't hit.

It's good for goblins because they can't get much worse

haha tis a good point. Plus their bows don't exactly have much range. Plus you can get enough bows involved in the volly.

I'm just going to try and stick my two cents in on throwing weapons. I really like these because IIRC they don't contribute to your bow limit (and if they do that's stupid).

Although hobbits can do throwing weapons really well because there's so many of them I kind of prefer dwarfs, simply because if the hobbits fail to kill the majority of the enemies within range they are going to get charged because the enemy will be faster and they will get eaten.

Whereas with dwarfs they're a little bit faster so you can get away in more instances but why would you? Dwarfs get an excellent toughness and a decent fight value. Plus, if you're taking Iron Guard, you're coupling the throwing weapons, higher defence and decent fight value with an extra attack.

So, what's everyone elses view on this?

I like throwing weapons. I think it works great on cavalry like warg riders or riders of rohan. goes a little way to offset the loss of lances. I think they're pretty useful and certainly have their place.

You forgot the bestt part of throwing weapons! The fact that you can charge and throw tour weapon just before you complete the charge and if you kill your target you can charge another model. This means you can potentially kill two models with a standard foot solider in a single turn!

However, they cost 2-3 points making them of debatable worth

I'd stick em on warg riders. But that does make each one rather expensive. But warg riders are awesome.

Knight of Umbar and the Shadow Lord in the middle of a host of Morgul Knights (4-10) expensive, but very, very deadly.

Noobie2k7 wrote:I'd stick em on warg riders. But that does make each one rather expensive. But warg riders are awesome.

Hmm they only hit on a 5+ on warg riders (not a lot of the time) so I'm not sure about them on wargs! I prefer them with just shields

You're not factoring on my magic dice. If i need a 6+ i'll roll that 6. But if i need a 2+ i'll roll 1's all day.

Noobie2k7 wrote:You're not factoring on my loaded dice. If i need a 6+ i'll roll that 6.

Fixed that for ya

deathstreak2000 wrote:You forgot the bestt part of throwing weapons! The fact that you can charge and throw tour weapon just before you complete the charge and if you kill your target you can charge another model. This means you can potentially kill two models with a standard foot solider in a single turn!

However, they cost 2-3 points making them of debatable worth

Don't they come standard on things like Iron Guard though? And oh yeah, having 8 Iron guard throw axes and then charge straight in can be brutal.

Rampage wrote:

deathstreak2000 wrote:You forgot the bestt part of throwing weapons! The fact that you can charge and throw tour weapon just before you complete the charge and if you kill your target you can charge another model. This means you can potentially kill two models with a standard foot solider in a single turn!

However, they cost 2-3 points making them of debatable worth

Don't they come standard on things like Iron Guard though? And oh yeah, having 8 Iron guard throw axes and then charge straight in can be brutal.

Yeah somethings get them already (the models that get them free are normally the badass ones )
Haha yeah I'd imagine that is extremely brutal! thankfully i've never been on the receiving end of one of their charges!

deathstreak2000 wrote:

Noobie2k7 wrote:You're not factoring on my loaded dice. If i need a 6+ i'll roll that 6.

Fixed that for ya

Well, if they were loaded i wouldn't roll 1's when i needed only 2's or 3's. Tis why i like harad cause i get to reroll those 1's.

I do think though a good tactic is actually using the betrayer not in with the archers but in with a group of serpent guard instead. Mainly cause he has total rerolls to wound and it allows the already higher ft guys to put out more damage. Or just have him on a horse/ fell beast and zipping around where he's needed and not just having him babysit the archers all game. And also not being afraid to bring the bowmen in if they're needed. Nothing worse than fighting at a disadvantage in numbers just cause you were afraid to throw your archers into melee.

So I watched a game betwen a buddy of mine and a lady. He played his trusty Mordor and she played Rohan. I dare say it was one of the most amusig games I have ever watched. I have NEVER seen such an amount of rolled. It ended as a draw in th end

I lost to my friend Amy at 40K once in her first ever game. Were well bad. I was rolling so badly though and she were getting help from the GW staff XD

But yeah, I'm currently just looking at a decent balance for a 250pts list for my Harad. Tis actual effort to make lists for such a low points value.

Their both well skilled players, but the dice did favour any of them. Anyhow I saw some really sneaky use of ligth cav vs blobbs of orcs

Nice, i need to learn more cavalry tactics really, i'm not good with them. I know not to use them as direct chargers and to use them more in flanking and hitting the enemy where not expected. But other than that, i'm rubbish at actually putting my plans with them into action.

Well the golden rule with ligth & heavy cav in LOTR is timing and placement of your rank and file. You really need to have footsloggers to haul ass and engange the enemy before comning in for the flank. I normaly use my Kataprakts to screen my Warbands and then pull them back when the lines meet. I then make sure to have them spread out in such a way that you cant focus on one blobb of them, Also Dragon Knigths helps here or Amdur or his equivilant for the good armies.

Just wrote up a couple lists for my harad, an ok looking 140pts and an insane 600pt list The insane 600pt list contains both the Betrayer and Knight of Umbar. And the Knight of Umbar is sitting pretty on an Armoured Fell Beast.

I doubt it's a list i'd use too seriously. But i doubt it would do too bad against some other 600pt lists out there. Imma create a thread for my lists in a sec. It;s where all my lists will go.

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XD true story aye

Rampage wrote:Although hobbits can do throwing weapons really well because there's so many of them I kind of prefer dwarfs/quote]

I prefer Dwarfs.... because they're dwarfs ^^

I don't have any strategical approaches yet, it was mentioned before in this thread to have your foot soldiers
attack first and take a beating before entering with the horses, I already thought of this so I guess that was
the only thing.
First have to get some proper warbands XD

S.

Thanks for the advice on volley fire, my opponents play goblins.

Good luck and do not take the little buggers lightly! I should know playing them