Best Assault Marine type unit?

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**sfshilo**

So no termies eh, just grunts?

Kroot?

haha sorry I couldn't resist....

**BlapBlapBlap**

Ummmm...

Wyches with a string of very lucky fleet rolls?

**kb305**

for PA: GK halbred purifiers win by about 10 miles. it's not even a contest.

**BlapBlapBlap**

kb305 wrote:for PA: GK halbred purifiers win by about 10 miles. it's not even a contest.

My Libby Dreadnought with Wings of Sanguinius says otherwise!

It moves as Jump Infantry, just not like Assault Marines.

**chaplaincliff**

if points don't matter I can make an assault squad of hell;

Marshal w/ storm shield, lightning claw, terminator honours, artificer armour, adamantine mantel, melta bombs, and a jump pack

master of sanctity w/ jump pack, storm shield, terminator honours, melta bombs, and artificer armour

4 man command squad;
apothecary
fighting company champion
sergeant termi honours w/ polc
squad termi honours
4x jump packs
crusader seals
frag and krak

664 points, i know stupid but fun

**BlapBlapBlap**

3 LIBBY DREADNOUGHTS WITH WINGS OF SANGUINIUS - 525PTS

**TheAngrySquig**

Blap, you need sleep

**captain collius**

TheAngrySquig wrote:Blap, you need sleep

no he needs sanity that not attainable

**BlapBlapBlap**

captain collius wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:Blap, you need sleep

no he needs sanity that not attainable

Madness?

THIS

IS

DAKKA!

**IcedAnimals**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:Black Templar Assault units, what with the re-rolls and the furious charge makes them some of the better beaters.

While them benefiting from the table wide rerolls to hit is definitely a plus for them. They don't have furious charge.

So you are paying more than 20 points a model for what comes out as being no more killy than the same books tactical marines. The only real advantage they have is they can take stormshields. But doing that makes your "assault squad" have single attacks because it removes their bolt pistols not to mention the huge sink in points.

**TheAngrySquig**

BlapBlapBlap wrote:
captain collius wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:Blap, you need sleep

no he needs sanity that not attainable

Madness?

THIS

IS

DAKKA!

No!

THIS

IS

PATRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**captain collius**

BlapBlapBlap wrote:
captain collius wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:Blap, you need sleep

no he needs sanity that not attainable

Madness?

THIS

IS

DAKKA!

Point proven

**kb305**

BlapBlapBlap wrote:
kb305 wrote:for PA: GK halbred purifiers win by about 10 miles. it's not even a contest.

My Libby Dreadnought with Wings of Sanguinius says otherwise!

It moves as Jump Infantry, just not like Assault Marines.

6 purifiers with thunder hammers for 174 points = you lose.

**Kosta**

I don't want to be guilty about getting back on topic... but what about a CC-spec'ed BA Honour Guard? Feel no Pain, Furious Charge that cannot be picked out, decent stats, can be equipped to you liking.

Ok, it doesn't compete with Death Company + Lemartes. But they do what *you* want instead of chasing squirrels

**TheAngrySquig**

Thats great in theory, but I feel like it could get pricey fast

**Mannahnin**

OP was clearly talking about jump infantry.

It's either Interceptors or BA Jumpers. Both are really only great with support from other units, though.

BA Jumpers are Troops, and can bring meltas, but really only come into their own with Priests for FNP/Furious Assault.

Interceptors have very good shooting, can bone enemy deep strikers with Warp Quake, and have that awesome once per game 30" move + shoot. But again really want to be in a list with a Grandmaster to make them scoring.

**TheAngrySquig**

Yes I was. And I don't know about BA jumpers because most people kind of gun for them because of the hype around them

**rigeld2**

45 points/model, but dual bonesword Shrikes are pretty decent.
55 points a model gives you WS5 S6 I5 A4 power weapon attacks that cause ID on a 3d6 Leadership test. And 3W.
Problems are cost an a 5+ armor save. :-/

**BlapBlapBlap**

OK, back on topic, I'm sticking by my Scourges.

**TheAngrySquig**

Scourges flat arent good though, you need their upgrades. And already going for 22 ppm, they get pricey FAST

**BlapBlapBlap**

TheAngrySquig wrote:Scourges flat arent good though, you need their upgrades. And already going for 22 ppm, they get pricey FAST

I said 10 Scourges with 4 Splinter Cannons. Most Jump infantry can't withstand 32 poisoned shots, or possibly 42 if they don't move.

**TheAngrySquig**

But most jump infantry don't come out to be 260 points, have an 18" range on most stuff, a 36 on their special weapons, and only have a 4+ save. A squad of heavy bolter devs will rip them apart

**BlapBlapBlap**

TheAngrySquig wrote:But most jump infantry don't come out to be 260 points, have an 18" range on most stuff, a 36 on their special weapons, and only have a 4+ save. A squad of heavy bolter devs will rip them apart

Uhhh...

Cover?

Deep Strike?

Lucky invul rolling?

**TheAngrySquig**

Yeah, if you get lucky, but a squad of those against anything with a big gun wont do well.

**Unit1126PLL**

Well, I suppose there is a super-unit I could make; lemme see

Marshal with Lightning Claws, Iron Halo, Terminator Honors, Bionics, Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Frag Grenades 196
10x Assault Squad with 10x Storm Shields, Power Weapon 330
Master of Sanctity with Lightning Claws, Terminator Honors, Bionics, Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Frag Grenades 201
3x Techmarines with Bionics, Servo-Harnesses, Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields, Terminator Honors, Jump Packs 570

Put them in a Land Raider Crusader with a Dozer Blade for 270

That's 1567 points.

And before you say it - BT Jump Pack guys can ride in transports because they are not Jump Infantry - they "move as" Jump Infantry. BT Codex, page 28

**Zweischneid**

Unit1126PLL wrote:Well, I suppose there is a super-unit I could make; lemme see

Marshal with Lightning Claws, Iron Halo, Terminator Honors, Bionics, Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Frag Grenades 196
10x Assault Squad with 10x Storm Shields, Power Weapon 330
Master of Sanctity with Lightning Claws, Terminator Honors, Bionics, Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Frag Grenades 201
3x Techmarines with Bionics, Servo-Harnesses, Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields, Terminator Honors, Jump Packs 570

Put them in a Land Raider Crusader with a Dozer Blade for 270

That's 1567 points.

And before you say it - BT Jump Pack guys can ride in transports because they are not Jump Infantry - they "move as" Jump Infantry. BT Codex, page 28

30x Death Company w/ Jump Packs
+ Lemartes
+ 3x Hand Flamer
+ 3x Inferno Pistol
+ 27x Thunder Hammer
+ 27x Powerweapon

= 2490 points.

Doesn't even include ICs yet (add 2 from HQ and 3 from Elite as needed).

If all DC dual-wield Thunderhammers, the unit with Lemartes kicks in at 3000 points exactly.

**Unit1126PLL**

Zweischneid wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:Well, I suppose there is a super-unit I could make; lemme see

Marshal with Lightning Claws, Iron Halo, Terminator Honors, Bionics, Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Frag Grenades 196
10x Assault Squad with 10x Storm Shields, Power Weapon 330
Master of Sanctity with Lightning Claws, Terminator Honors, Bionics, Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Frag Grenades 201
3x Techmarines with Bionics, Servo-Harnesses, Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields, Terminator Honors, Jump Packs 570

Put them in a Land Raider Crusader with a Dozer Blade for 270

That's 1567 points.

And before you say it - BT Jump Pack guys can ride in transports because they are not Jump Infantry - they "move as" Jump Infantry. BT Codex, page 28

30x Death Company w/ Jump Packs
+ Lemartes
+ 3x Hand Flamer
+ 3x Inferno Pistol
+ 27x Thunder Hammer
+ 27x Powerweapon

= 2340 points.

Doesn't even include ICs yet (add 2 from HQ and 3 from Elite as needed).

LOL, then conceded - the Land Raider goes up in a puff of 54-odd Str 9 attacks

**TheAngrySquig**

Why do I feel like the number of posts until a titan shows up here is rapidly approaching zero

**Freman Bloodglaive**

Imperator Titan?

Admittedly his assault technique just involves standing on people, but that's close combat isn't it?

**kb305**

Zweischneid wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:Well, I suppose there is a super-unit I could make; lemme see

Marshal with Lightning Claws, Iron Halo, Terminator Honors, Bionics, Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Frag Grenades 196
10x Assault Squad with 10x Storm Shields, Power Weapon 330
Master of Sanctity with Lightning Claws, Terminator Honors, Bionics, Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Frag Grenades 201
3x Techmarines with Bionics, Servo-Harnesses, Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields, Terminator Honors, Jump Packs 570

Put them in a Land Raider Crusader with a Dozer Blade for 270

That's 1567 points.

And before you say it - BT Jump Pack guys can ride in transports because they are not Jump Infantry - they "move as" Jump Infantry. BT Codex, page 28

30x Death Company w/ Jump Packs
+ Lemartes
+ 3x Hand Flamer
+ 3x Inferno Pistol
+ 27x Thunder Hammer
+ 27x Powerweapon

= 2490 points.

Doesn't even include ICs yet (add 2 from HQ and 3 from Elite as needed).

If all DC dual-wield Thunderhammers, the unit with Lemartes kicks in at 3000 points exactly.

for 2000 points you could have 65 interceptors with halbreds. they would kill those death company before they could even strike back.