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BlapBlapBlap wrote:
But this is not about Ragnar. It is about Calgar and Dante.

The thread, yes. But point I made, and to which you specifically responded with a question, was about the flawed logic that "age" is an indicator for anything. If it were, GW would drop the WS/S/T stats and replace it with an "age" stat.

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Zweischneid wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:But this is not about Ragnar. It is about Calgar and Dante.

The thread, yes. But point I made was about the flawed logic that "age" is an indicator for anything. If it were, GW would drop the WS/S/T stats and replace it with an "age" stat.

I'm going to stop now. You're just arguing your point over and over. The subject is on Dante and Calgar. Not any other character, OK?

I'd go with Calgar here as well.

Both Dante and Calgar are beeftanks, and both of them are exceptional chapter masters, being very, very good with warfare.

The problem for Dante, though, is that this is where he stops. His only other defining feature is that he's old, but so what? Meanwhile Calgar is also the lord of a half-dozen worlds, showing his ability as a statesman. He also quasi-controls hundreds of other sub-chapters, showing his skills in diplomacy. That everything he touches seems to prosper, both in peace and war shows his incredible organizational talents and skills in logistics.

Calgar and Dante are both men of war, but Calgar, much more than Dante, is also a capable man of peace.

Ailaros wrote:I'd go with Calgar here as well.

Both Dante and Calgar are beeftanks, and both of them are exceptional chapter masters, being very, very good with warfare.

The problem for Dante, though, is that this is where he stops. His only other defining feature is that he's old, but so what? Meanwhile Calgar is also the lord of a half-dozen worlds, showing his ability as a statesman. He also quasi-controls hundreds of other sub-chapters, showing his skills in diplomacy. That everything he touches seems to prosper, both in peace and war shows his incredible organizational talents and skills in logistics.

Calgar and Dante are both men of war, but Calgar, moch more than Dante, is also a capable man of peace.

Well if your gonna go on that premise then Dante wins again cause he's prettier.... really are we going with the who can whip the others "ars" in a diplomatic conversation....or are we talking about strict martial competition....I would still have to go with Dante on the sheer stance of stats vs. stat on the fluff(cause Calgar is Wards baby along with every other ultramarine) aspect plus strict combat prowess.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:[
And the fact that Calgar bowed down to Dante and let him control the campaign for Armageddon seems to point to Dante being better.

It's the tradition of Space Marines from different chains of command to yield to those of the same rank but longer time at that rank. It's how they've informally decided to work things such that every coordinated effort doesn't devolve into "No, I'm in charge!"

Also, seriously with the Matt Ward hate in this thread? He wrote both current codecies. You people just have to jam your pet-hates into everything.

DarknessEternal wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:And the fact that Calgar bowed down to Dante and let him control the campaign for Armageddon seems to point to Dante being better.

It's the tradition of Space Marines from different chains of command to yield to those of the same rank but longer time at that rank. It's how they've informally decided to work things such that every coordinated effort doesn't devolve into "No, I'm in charge!"

Also, seriously with the Matt Ward hate in this thread? He wrote both current codecies. You people just have to jam your pet-hates into everything.

Meh. Let's put that discussion behind us. It had nothing to do with the thread.

Calgar is the hardest working man in show biz. Not to mention a powerfist could ruin Dante's day... too bad Clagar brought two.

Actually, Dante doesn't even have to be in combat to die horribly. AP 2 Boltguns and Orbital Bombardment.

Talking fluffwise, Dante. Why?

" Meet me on XYZ planet. Both ships appear in orbit Calgar Teleports down, Dante flies. Suddenly Land Raider falls and crushes Calgar."

End.

Deadshot wrote:Talking fluffwise, Dante. Why?

" Meet me on XYZ planet. Both ships appear in orbit Calgar Teleports down, Dante flies. Suddenly Land Raider falls and crushes Calgar."

End.

Calgar uses regular Orbital Bombardment.

Dante uses Orbital Bombardment of LAND RAIDERS.

Dante's ship has red paint to go fasta. It will shoot Calgar's ship faster and get out Faster.

Dante, fluffwise, also could use Orbital Bombardment. So that is invalid.

I will have to say Dante.

Wow, this is a close poll

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Talking fluffwise, Dante. Why?

" Meet me on XYZ planet. Both ships appear in orbit Calgar Teleports down, Dante flies. Suddenly Land Raider falls and crushes Calgar."

End.

Calgar uses regular Orbital Bombardment.

Dante uses Orbital Bombardment of LAND RAIDERS.

I have to go with Dante on this, I think he'll have the speed in the figth, Calgar may have the power but Dante is quicker.

Tadashi wrote:

Lobukia wrote:Well Calgar is the Liege Lord of 500 worlds, has well over 20,000 marines at his beck and call... plus if you look at his Apoc stats with Honour Guard (Legion Relic) he's not even going to pause in game fighting poor Dante.

If we're talking all out war... Calgar, no contest.
If we're talking company on company, Dante

In Game: Calgar... in fluff, hand to hand... I dunno. Terminator with dual PF just needs to surive long enough to hit, but I think Dante might get this one.

Hey, wait a minute! When and where did the Ultramarines suddenly become legion strength? And 500 worlds? The Realm of Ultramar only covers 7 systems. And the game stats are biased for the Ultramarines. Dante and the Blood Angels deserve as much credit and special mention as they do, if not more so.

I think Lobukia means sucessors (e.g. novamarines, sons of orpeus, mentors) and the worlds Ultramarines and Sucessors control / have liberated and pay homage to Calgar as their lieg lord

Fluff Wise Dante Wins.

Games Rules Wise Calgar Wins.

I'm glad the rules accurately represent the fluff...

Dante.

My money's on Calgar.

WOW! Two characters i hate . If i had to pick though, Calgar, just because he has eternal warrior in game, and you know, those two giant face smashing powerfists.

Tadashi wrote:"God of War"

Tadashi wrote:

Lobukia wrote:Well Calgar is the Liege Lord of 500 worlds, has well over 20,000 marines at his beck and call... plus if you look at his Apoc stats with Honour Guard (Legion Relic) he's not even going to pause in game fighting poor Dante.

If we're talking all out war... Calgar, no contest.
If we're talking company on company, Dante

In Game: Calgar... in fluff, hand to hand... I dunno. Terminator with dual PF just needs to surive long enough to hit, but I think Dante might get this one.

Hey, wait a minute! When and where did the Ultramarines suddenly become legion strength? And 500 worlds? The Realm of Ultramar only covers 7 systems. And the game stats are biased for the Ultramarines. Dante and the Blood Angels deserve as much credit and special mention as they do, if not more so.

Lord Macragge can call upon the Second Founding chapters of the Ultras, I think.