Trial ordered for 2 California police officers in beating death of homeless man

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**deathholydeath**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Frazzled wrote:So he was trying to break into cars, when caught by police he reisted arrest?

Meh, Frazzled care not.

I have just listened to that man lying on the floor, calling to his dad. He suffered from a mental illness and was homeless on the street. Whether or not this mentally ill homeless person was trying to break into a car to steal a radio or just ranting, he most certainly did not deserve to be beaten to a bloody corpse by the people who we pay money to 'protect and serve'. The entire thing is horrific and brutal and sadistic. 6 men beat a mentally ill man to death. They were not 'fighting crime', they were murdering a vulnerable member of the society they are supposed to be policing.

Frazzled, your comment is repulsive.

You have repeatedly claimed to be a Christian.

Christ would have advocated caring for the man, forgiving any sins and helping him. Go reread your Bible. Christ walked with the homeless, the lepers, the unloved and the poorest of society, he worked with them and helped to life them up. Your attitude is the antithesis of this. Your casual comments about this murder are mind-blowing.

It's about time.

**Frazzled**

Palindrome wrote:Frazzled it may be a good idea for you to research topics that you make blase little 'jokes' about beforehand. It would save you looking like a complete cock.

Nah, I'm fine thanks. As I've already posted when he stops resisting the police are supposed to stop. They didn't therefor they are in the wrong.

I especially appreciated Fire4effekt's request that I die horribly in a private message. Its like he was talking to my wife or something.

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Necroshea wrote:Yeah, this is pretty messed up in all sorts of ways, and I'm with everyone else in that Frazzled, your piss poor attempts at humor has made you out to be quite the arse. The more you know about people...

It took you this long to figure out I'm an ass? Not quick on the uptake are you boy?

**Necroshea**

Frazzled wrote:It took you this long to figure out I'm an ass? Not quick on the uptake are you boy?

Warms my heart to know that of all the people that called you out, my voice was one in particular that caught your attention enough to warrant not only a response, but counter jab as well.

**Frazzled**

Necroshea wrote:
Frazzled wrote:It took you this long to figure out I'm an ass? Not quick on the uptake are you boy?

Warms my heart to know that of all the people that called you out, my voice was one in particular that caught your attention enough to warrant not only a response, but counter jab as well.

Your avatar is worthy!

Making attacks on me on the intranetz is not calling me out. A hand delivered message declaiming full auto wiener dogs at dawn is calling me out.

Come packing heavy though you better have eyes in the back of your head. While you're looking at me Rodney the Shanker is quietly sneaking up behind you NOM! NOM! NOM!

**Iur_tae_mont**

Frazzled wrote:
I especially appreciated Fire4effekt's request that I die horribly in a private message. Its like he was talking to my wife or something.

Maybe that's your wife's Account?

SRS time: We should all be mature enough to not wish horrible things on others (Esp. fellow Wargamers. There's only so many of us to Begin with).

Yes This Incident is bad and bare minimum all involved should be fired and Locked up, but wishing bad things on one another does nothing constructive.

**Frazzled**

Iur_tae_mont wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
I especially appreciated Fire4effekt's request that I die horribly in a private message. Its like he was talking to my wife or something.

Maybe that's your wife's Account?

SRS time: We should all be mature enough to not wish horrible things on others (Esp. fellow Wargamers. There's only so many of us to Begin with).

Yes This Incident is bad and bare minimum all involved should be fired and Locked up, but wishing bad things on one another does nothing constructive.

Agreed. There are appropriate uses of force, and that use stops when the subject complies regardless. Anything else is a crime.

**dæl**

Unfortunately police brutality is as old as the hills and its only the prevalence of cameras that is bringing so many cases to light these days. I still think the vast majority are good people with an honest intention to make the world a bit safer, but there is a minority of bullies with serious inferiority issues that are borderline sociopaths. I think the selection process for all police should be much more rigorous and include extensive psychological evaluation to weed out such disgusting people. The London riots were directly caused by police brutality, and the social cost, from lost trust, of the actions of this fraction of the forces over the years is untold.

The actions of these men (if they can be called that) are abhorrent, they deserve to spend a very long time in prison, where they will have a wonderful time i'm sure, especially as they won't have a badge and a gun to hide behind and make them feel all superior.

**Mannahnin**

The London riots and the Los Angeles riots twenty years ago.

**Hordini**

Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but from looking at the video, it seemed like the first officer was escalating the situation needlessly. It's also pretty lame that multiple officers were unable to subdue the guy when he was already on the ground and being tazed. It definitely seems appropriate that these officers are being charged. I'm guessing it's the first two in the video, and not the ones who arrived later. Does anybody know for sure?

And LumenPraebo and fire4effekt....What are you guys doing? Just quoting someone else's post and not writing a message isn't contributing. If you can't form your own thought on the subject, stop spamming the thread with stupid quotes with no message. This isn't 4chan. It's even more spammy than an image macro, at least then there's the off-chance that the picture is worth a chuckle.

**timetowaste85**

Can we have the officers involved put before a firing squad? After receiving a beating close to what they gave this guy. Or better yet, beaten almost to the same degree, given time to heal, then repeat the process over and over again. A decade's time should be sufficient for them to learn their lesson. Christ would normally say 'turn the other cheek' or 'love your fellow man'-but I like to think he'd sit this one out.

**Iur_tae_mont**

timetowaste85 wrote:Can we have the officers involved put before a firing squad? After receiving a beating close to what they gave this guy. Or better yet, beaten almost to the same degree, given time to heal, then repeat the process over and over again. A decade's time should be sufficient for them to learn their lesson. Christ would normally say 'turn the other cheek' or 'love your fellow man'-but I like to think he'd sit this one out.

I could get behind Their punishment being Severe beatings from 5-7 people, provided that Medical Staff was Nearby to start treatment on them asap.

They can't learn their lesson if they die.

**timetowaste85**

Iur_tae_mont wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:Can we have the officers involved put before a firing squad? After receiving a beating close to what they gave this guy. Or better yet, beaten almost to the same degree, given time to heal, then repeat the process over and over again. A decade's time should be sufficient for them to learn their lesson. Christ would normally say 'turn the other cheek' or 'love your fellow man'-but I like to think he'd sit this one out.

I could get behind Their punishment being Severe beatings from 5-7 people, provided that Medical Staff was Nearby to start treatment on them asap.

They can't learn their lesson if they die.

Hence a decade of beatings, while keeping them on the line. I don't take kindly to pricks like these, and I agree-death isn't a lesson-it'll only hurt others.

**dæl**

Iur_tae_mont wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:Can we have the officers involved put before a firing squad? After receiving a beating close to what they gave this guy. Or better yet, beaten almost to the same degree, given time to heal, then repeat the process over and over again. A decade's time should be sufficient for them to learn their lesson. Christ would normally say 'turn the other cheek' or 'love your fellow man'-but I like to think he'd sit this one out.

I could get behind Their punishment being Severe beatings from 5-7 people, provided that Medical Staff was Nearby to start treatment on them asap.

They can't learn their lesson if they die.

Yeh, lets do something wrong to the people that did something wrong. That'll make things right!

**timetowaste85**

dæl wrote:
Iur_tae_mont wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:Can we have the officers involved put before a firing squad? After receiving a beating close to what they gave this guy. Or better yet, beaten almost to the same degree, given time to heal, then repeat the process over and over again. A decade's time should be sufficient for them to learn their lesson. Christ would normally say 'turn the other cheek' or 'love your fellow man'-but I like to think he'd sit this one out.

I could get behind Their punishment being Severe beatings from 5-7 people, provided that Medical Staff was Nearby to start treatment on them asap.

They can't learn their lesson if they die.

Yeh, lets do something wrong to the people that did something wrong. That'll make things right!

Guarantee they, and anyone else in their position, won't ever make this mistake again. They beat a mentally handicapped man to death-some earlier civilizations believed in "an eye for an eye." I'm thinking they had the right idea in certain regards.

And it won't make things right for the homeless guy who died, nothing will, but it'll sure as hell make sure these cops don't ever do it again.

**dæl**

timetowaste85 wrote:
dæl wrote:
Iur_tae_mont wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:Can we have the officers involved put before a firing squad? After receiving a beating close to what they gave this guy. Or better yet, beaten almost to the same degree, given time to heal, then repeat the process over and over again. A decade's time should be sufficient for them to learn their lesson. Christ would normally say 'turn the other cheek' or 'love your fellow man'-but I like to think he'd sit this one out.

I could get behind Their punishment being Severe beatings from 5-7 people, provided that Medical Staff was Nearby to start treatment on them asap.

They can't learn their lesson if they die.

Yeh, lets do something wrong to the people that did something wrong. That'll make things right!

Guarantee they, and anyone else in their position, won't ever make this mistake again. They beat a mentally handicapped man to death-some earlier civilizations believed in "an eye for an eye." I'm thinking they had the right idea in certain regards.

And it won't make things right for the homeless guy who died, nothing will, but it'll sure as hell make sure these cops don't ever do it again.

gandhi wrote:An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

nietzsche wrote:Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

It is a very slippery slope when justice becomes revenge, a stay in prison that befits this murder is deterrent and punishment enough, there have been studies into whether the death penalty is a greater deterrent than life imprisonment and it isn't. For the same reason people think they might win the lottery, people don't expect to be caught. And yes earlier cultures did believe in an eye for an eye, should we also replace every number higher than 2 with the concept of 'many'?

**PhantomViper**

timetowaste85 wrote:some earlier civilizations believed in "an eye for an eye." I'm thinking they had the right idea in certain regards.

Some earlier civilizations would have thrown the mentally ill guy out into the snow and let him die, other earlier civilizations would have burnt him at the stake for daemonic possession...

Me? My only reaction is a resounding "meh"! What the cops did was a crime, they were arrested and and are probably going to spend a looong time in prison for it... Nothing to get overly excited about anyway.

**Mannahnin**

Police are entrusted with a very heavy duty and obligation, to protect and to serve.

As Spider Man's uncle Ben taught many of us when we were kids, with great power comes great responsibility. While many police will lament their lack of power and the tough situations they are put in on a daily basis, the authority to use violence on citizens is a great and terrible power.

When this power is misused and people are beaten or killed, that's a pretty horrible transgression. A betrayal of one's service oath and the principles one hopes a person is declaring to love if they choose to be a police officer.

It's not a "meh" situation. A weak and vulnerable member of society was beaten to death by some of the people who have sworn and are paid to protect society. That's both a terrible irony and an awful act.

**Frazzled**

"With great power comes great responsibility." -Ben something

"With great power comes great opportunities." - Julius Gaius Caesar

"Great opportunities equals great riches." Your average insider

"Great riches equal great parties." Frazzled

**PhantomViper**

Mannahnin wrote:
It's not a "meh" situation. A weak and vulnerable member of society was beaten to death by some of the people who have sworn and are paid to protect society. That's both a terrible irony and an awful act.

Actually a completely unproductive at best and prejudicial at worst, member of society was beaten to death by some people that have only joined the police force so that they could indulge their power trips at will. Those same people were then arrested and are standing trial for that crime... Seems like the definition of "meh" to me. Honestly I got more riled up by that cop that shot the guys dog for no reason and walked than I did for this piece of news.

**Hazardous Harry**

You're more upset at a single cop shooting a (potentially aggressive) animal, than a dozen policemen beating a defenceless human being to death, as he screams for mercy?

Some people...

**PhantomViper**

Hazardous Harry wrote:You're more upset at a single cop shooting a (potentially aggressive) animal, than a dozen policemen beating a defenceless human being to death, as he screams for mercy?

Some people...

Like I've said several times, my ability to feel any empathy towards my fellow humans is generally restricted to my immediate family, close friends and children. Everyone else I just honestly don't care about and it really puzzles me that some people genuinely do, even though I firmly believe that most are just feigning to care because its the PC thing to do...

Besides, the cops responsible were arrested and are awaiting trial, what is the big deal? The cop that shot the dog walked away stock free without any repercussion for his actions, AFAIK, that is allot more outrageous then: "people committed crime, people where arrested for that crime".

**Frazzled**

Hazardous Harry wrote:You're more upset at a single cop shooting a (potentially aggressive) animal, than a dozen policemen beating a defenceless human being to death, as he screams for mercy?

Some people...

Dogs have many redeeming qualities. People not so much.

**Hazardous Harry**

PhantomViper wrote:
Hazardous Harry wrote:You're more upset at a single cop shooting a (potentially aggressive) animal, than a dozen policemen beating a defenceless human being to death, as he screams for mercy?

Some people...

Like I've said several times, my ability to feel any empathy towards my fellow humans is generally restricted to my immediate family, close friends and children. Everyone else I just honestly don't care about and it really puzzles me that some people genuinely do, even though I firmly believe that most are just feigning to care because its the PC thing to do...

You must be a pleasant guy to be around.

Besides, the cops responsible were arrested and are awaiting trial, what is the big deal? The cop that shot the dog walked away stock free without any repercussion for his actions, AFAIK, that is allot more outrageous then: "people committed crime, people where arrested for that crime".

Whether they've been charged or not doesn't take away from the sickening crime itself. You've just said you feel more empathy for the dog than a human being, even going so far as to call him useless and unproductive. Good day, sir.

**Frazzled**

PhantomViper wrote:
Hazardous Harry wrote:You're more upset at a single cop shooting a (potentially aggressive) animal, than a dozen policemen beating a defenceless human being to death, as he screams for mercy?

Some people...

Like I've said several times, my ability to feel any empathy towards my fellow humans is generally restricted to my immediate family, close friends and children. Everyone else I just honestly don't care about and it really puzzles me that some people genuinely do, even though I firmly believe that most are just feigning to care because its the PC thing to do...

Besides, the cops responsible were arrested and are awaiting trial, what is the big deal? The cop that shot the dog walked away stock free without any repercussion for his actions, AFAIK, that is allot more outrageous then: "people committed crime, people where arrested for that crime".

Wow, like I agree with this guy on both counts, even though he is a dern ferenner and probably has no concept of the greatness of queso.

**Hazardous Harry**

Frazzled wrote:

Dogs have many redeeming qualities. People not so much.

Oh, right. It's Frazzled.

**Frazzled**

Hazardous Harry wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

Dogs have many redeeming qualities. People not so much.

Oh, right. It's Frazzled.

Exactly.

To paraphrase Ripley in Aliens: "You never see the bugs

ing each other over for a

damn percentage!"

**biccat**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Christ would have advocated caring for the man, forgiving any sins and helping him. Go reread your Bible. Christ walked with the homeless, the lepers, the unloved and the poorest of society, he worked with them and helped to life them up. Your attitude is the antithesis of this. Your casual comments about this murder are mind-blowing.

How would he feel about the officers?

Or is that when "eye for an eye" comes into play?

**Hazardous Harry**

biccat wrote:
How would he feel about the officers?

Or is that when "eye for an eye" comes into play?

Good point. It's a fine thing that our Criminal Justice System isn't the Criminal Mercy System.

**PhantomViper**

Hazardous Harry wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
Hazardous Harry wrote:You're more upset at a single cop shooting a (potentially aggressive) animal, than a dozen policemen beating a defenceless human being to death, as he screams for mercy?

Some people...

Like I've said several times, my ability to feel any empathy towards my fellow humans is generally restricted to my immediate family, close friends and children. Everyone else I just honestly don't care about and it really puzzles me that some people genuinely do, even though I firmly believe that most are just feigning to care because its the PC thing to do...

You must be a pleasant guy to be around.

Besides, the cops responsible were arrested and are awaiting trial, what is the big deal? The cop that shot the dog walked away stock free without any repercussion for his actions, AFAIK, that is allot more outrageous then: "people committed crime, people where arrested for that crime".

Whether they've been charged or not doesn't take away from the sickening crime itself. You've just said you feel more empathy for the dog than a human being, even going so far as to call him useless and unproductive. Good day, sir.

Cool, we are now down to the ad hominem attacks phase of the discussion, are we? Its always funny how you "pious" and "compassionate" people are always the first to personally attack those that don't agree with you.

I called him useless and unproductive because all evidence pointed to the fact that he was useless and unproductive! Normal, productive members of society don't usually walk around the streets in the middle of the night damaging others peoples property... Can you say that was I said was harsh? Probably is, but that doesn't make it less true and also doesn't diminish the fact that what those cops did was a crime and they are going to go to jail for it.

**Medium of Death**

Mannahnin wrote:The London riots and the Los Angeles riots twenty years ago.

If you're talking about Police Brutality starting riots and you are referring to the most recent London riots you have that backwards. The riots spiralled out of control due to the soft handedness of the police. While it is said to have stemmed from the shooting of Mark Duggan, it was really just opportunistic scum baggery. I don't think a vast majority of Londoners felt that there had been a social injustice done that day. The riots threatened to start in other cities because of the perceived weakness of the police.

Social Injustice? Nah blood, i'm doing it for that sweet Basmati...