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I think it is a bit too early to whine about the rules released in about a year. Not sure if the book is written at all ATM.
So new jetbike, several point reductions and new finecast characters is not exactly a new and insightful rumour.

Hmmm....they go and release plastic aspects they might get me interested....

I've been out of 40K for years, but Eldar have always been one of those armies that sometimes I want to paint just for the sake of painting them. Late 2013 I could conceivably have the money and free time to start collecting again. So it all comes down to how they do the aspect warriors. If the aspect warriors are Finecast, GW has no hope of getting me back as a customer. If they do them in plastic they might, depending on the quality of the sculpt.

Avatar 720 wrote:Not buying Romanus' personally; making energy fields weaker for no advertised change in Serpent cost would be nonsensical; larger vehicle chassis would require the vast majority of Eldar vehicles to be re-made and re-boxed, which I would 101% say that GW would not do. The chassis has aged extremely well, and if anything, needs to become a little smaller unless they want to have skimmers larger than Land Raiders.

I cannot forsee them recalling the Serpent, Falcon and Prism kits just to make the chassis bigger, especially since it won't just affect those three, but also the FW Warp Hunter and Firestorm.

The plastic jetbikes and vyper are pretty much common sense, and FC Characters are already implemented across half the range.

Why not? They did this all with the Chimera a few years back. Almost no change except to the tracks which were modified, yet this changes the entire sprue. I do not see this as a huge problem from a 15+ year old tank kit.

Red Corsair wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Not buying Romanus' personally; making energy fields weaker for no advertised change in Serpent cost would be nonsensical; larger vehicle chassis would require the vast majority of Eldar vehicles to be re-made and re-boxed, which I would 101% say that GW would not do. The chassis has aged extremely well, and if anything, needs to become a little smaller unless they want to have skimmers larger than Land Raiders.

I cannot forsee them recalling the Serpent, Falcon and Prism kits just to make the chassis bigger, especially since it won't just affect those three, but also the FW Warp Hunter and Firestorm.

The plastic jetbikes and vyper are pretty much common sense, and FC Characters are already implemented across half the range.

Why not? They did this all with the Chimera a few years back. Almost no change except to the tracks which were modified, yet this changes the entire sprue. I do not see this as a huge problem from a 15+ year old tank kit.

Track changes =/= Entire chasis enlargement. Changing the tracks, as you said, changed nothing but the sprue, but if you change the entire size of a chassis, then every single kit that uses that chassis has to have everything re-sized to fit. It would be a large ball-ache, especially since the eldar skimmer chassis is absolutely fine as it is, and has aged extremely well.

But, as previously mentioned, it probably refers to the appearance of a larger vehicle, not the resizing of the current chassis.

Just for clarification:
1.) The rules rumours are from different playtests not the Codex, which is not yet written.
2.) The larger chassis is a rumoured new larger skimmer IN ADDITION to the Falcon chassis which doesn't change.

I did meet someone who worked in a mid level capacity for the company, who swore blind he'd seen concept sketches for a plastic wraithguard kit, about 2 years back.

ColdSadHungry wrote:I reckon that the phoenix lords probably won't be HQs. It's more likely that you'll be able to upgrade one character in an aspect squad to a phoenix lord instead of an exarch for just one squad, making that squad a troop choice. Otherwise, how are they going to avoid the Eldar having too many HQs? We already have Eldrad, Farseers, Yriel, Autarchs, the Corsairs Prince, the Corsairs Farseer (forget the name right now), the Avatar and perhaps the Wraithseer. If you also had all of the Phoenix Lords - not forgetting the new Shadow Specters phoenix Lord - then you'd have too many HQs to be viable. The Eldar also have Warlocks.

I can see Warlocks becoming sanguinary priest style 0-3 Elites and the phoenix lords becoming squad leader upgrades. Space Wolves have already set the precedent for having more than 2 HQs so why not Eldar too? Only problem is that the ability to take lots of them on top of other HQs may mean they'd take a nerf which doesn't fit in with their eternal warrior type status. It will be interesting to see what they do with them.

That would be pretty cool. At the moment there really is too many HQs to choose but changes similar to that for the Phoenix Lords would relieve that quite a lot!
Totally agree that it will be interesting to see what happens though because it might be a little bit OP to have 6 Phoenix Lords with each of their aspects as troops choices.

swalker91 wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:I reckon that the phoenix lords probably won't be HQs. It's more likely that you'll be able to upgrade one character in an aspect squad to a phoenix lord instead of an exarch for just one squad, making that squad a troop choice. Otherwise, how are they going to avoid the Eldar having too many HQs? We already have Eldrad, Farseers, Yriel, Autarchs, the Corsairs Prince, the Corsairs Farseer (forget the name right now), the Avatar and perhaps the Wraithseer. If you also had all of the Phoenix Lords - not forgetting the new Shadow Specters phoenix Lord - then you'd have too many HQs to be viable. The Eldar also have Warlocks.

I can see Warlocks becoming sanguinary priest style 0-3 Elites and the phoenix lords becoming squad leader upgrades. Space Wolves have already set the precedent for having more than 2 HQs so why not Eldar too? Only problem is that the ability to take lots of them on top of other HQs may mean they'd take a nerf which doesn't fit in with their eternal warrior type status. It will be interesting to see what they do with them.

That would be pretty cool. At the moment there really is too many HQs to choose but changes similar to that for the Phoenix Lords would relieve that quite a lot!
Totally agree that it will be interesting to see what happens though because it might be a little bit OP to have 6 Phoenix Lords with each of their aspects as troops choices.

on the other hand, if as rumoured the FOC goes the way of the dodo and 40K goes (back) to a percentages system the amount of HQ choices wouldn't be an issue per se...

ColdSadHungry wrote:

I can see Warlocks becoming sanguinary priest style 0-3 Elites and the phoenix lords becoming squad leader upgrades.

If they go that route, I see Warlocks going the route of Wolf Guard - you can take several of them and break them off as unit leaders and use the rest as a Seer Council. Make the unit 0-1 and the unit can be 1-10. Count it as an elite unit and move on. Give them the option to get a jet bike, weapon options, psychic powers, and that should do it.

I'm more interested in seeing how they are going to arm the farseers and autarchs. I'd like to see a base farseer be the equivalent of an epistolary librarian and cast 2 spells a turn. The Eldar farseers are supposed to make librarians look like children with their ability to manipulate their psychic abilities.

boyd wrote:
If they go that route, I see Warlocks going the route of Wolf Guard - you can take several of them and break them off as unit leaders and use the rest as a Seer Council. Make the unit 0-1 and the unit can be 1-10. Count it as an elite unit and move on. Give them the option to get a jet bike, weapon options, psychic powers, and that should do it.

I'm more interested in seeing how they are going to arm the farseers and autarchs. I'd like to see a base farseer be the equivalent of an epistolary librarian and cast 2 spells a turn. The Eldar farseers are supposed to make librarians look like children with their ability to manipulate their psychic abilities.

That or the way the Court works for Necrons.

Oh please, please, please let the plastic wraithguard pan out!!! I would do a Wraith army regardless of it's competitiveness. It just isn't affordable right now when a 5-man wraithguard squad is $75.... The fact that the Wraithguard have not been Finecasted yet gives me hope!

DraconicGuardian wrote:

Oh please, please, please let the plastic wraithguard pan out!!! I would do a Wraith army regardless of it's competitiveness. It just isn't affordable right now when a 5-man wraithguard squad is $75.... The fact that the Wraithguard have not been Finecasted yet gives me hope!

From what I was reading on Warseer the use of CAD design for resin models is not really done with any frequency, and resin models are usually sculpted the traditional way. With rumors indicating that aspect and wraithguard CAD designs were seen would indicate plastic kits. Now that is speculation assuming what they were saying about CAD designs is correct. If anyone here knows more about the design process as far as the techniques GW uses these days, i.e. can confirm CAD designs are predominantly for plastic kits, please chime in!

I'm basically in the same boat as you. Eldar were my second army after SMs(of course) back in 2nd Edition and I've wanted to build an army again for some time. The lack of cheap wraithguard has made that too pricey for me until they release plastics.

So predictions...
Current HQs not in Finecast to move there...Pheonix Lords autaurachs and yeah a new Avatar please. FW Avatar FTW here so maybe not.

Some HQ in plastic...Generic Farseer and new Warlocks I'm looking at you. Eldrad and box set prohibitive to starters and somewhat dated. Basing this off of Empire releases not sk much he DE as all their HQ are Finecast...but not only insquaf sized boxes.

Doubt any aspects besides spiders and shining spears will be redone. They were all redone last go around.

Wraithguard are metal 1 per blister and 17$. I could see a complete reimagining along the size of DE grotesques something more akin to a half size Wraithlord.

Viper is old as well as jet bikes could easily agree they will be redone.

As far as guardians go they only need a defender upgrades ie separate sprue or blister...but the lack of variation int he current upgrades sucks so why not add a separate new box with running legs and dynamic poses? Just please isn't have separate halts of the torso...please.

I honestly don't think Eldar will get a flyer. Our codex is congested with barely differing units as is. Where would a flyer go? I think there is a higher likely hood dark reapers get handed an AA role or Exarch upgrade...but greed is good and if eldar need a "legolas class jetcraft" and it will sell Im sure it would hit in a wave. I just don't know how Eldar can expand with new unit which won't overlap...I think Eldar are very close to hitting deminishing returns on new units.

Of course Eldar will get a flyer model. They want to sell you models.

Task and Purpose wrote:I honestly don't think Eldar will get a flyer. Our codex is congested with barely differing units as is. Where would a flyer go? I think there is a higher likely hood dark reapers get handed an AA role or Exarch upgrade...but greed is good and if eldar need a "legolas class jetcraft" and it will sell Im sure it would hit in a wave. I just don't know how Eldar can expand with new unit which won't overlap...I think Eldar are very close to hitting reminiscing returns on new units.

Rumor has it, 6thEd will have models outright classified as fliers or have the ability to act as one at times.

Plus, the Forge World 'base' Eldar flier is a stupidly fast and agile interceptor specialized in destroying other fliers, and failing that, making strafing runs. It'd be nice if the new codex simply has a Hornet knockoff.

The current Eldar vehicles are little more than APC, IFV, Jeep, and Tank except slightly faster than other races because of their Eldarmagics. The entire Eldar vehicle line was originally analogous to the Space Marine vehicles except flying.

Absolutionis wrote:

Task and Purpose wrote:I honestly don't think Eldar will get a flyer. Our codex is congested with barely differing units as is. Where would a flyer go? I think there is a higher likely hood dark reapers get handed an AA role or Exarch upgrade...but greed is good and if eldar need a "legolas class jetcraft" and it will sell Im sure it would hit in a wave. I just don't know how Eldar can expand with new unit which won't overlap...I think Eldar are very close to hitting reminiscing returns on new units.

Rumor has it, 6thEd will have models outright classified as fliers or have the ability to act as one at times.

Plus, the Forge World 'base' Eldar flier is a stupidly fast and agile interceptor specialized in destroying other fliers, and failing that, making strafing runs. It'd be nice if the new codex simply has a Hornet knockoff.

The current Eldar vehicles are little more than APC, IFV, Jeep, and Tank except slightly faster than other races because of their Eldarmagics. The entire Eldar vehicle line was originally analogous to the Space Marine vehicles except flying.

Right, but I don't see a plastic analogue to a FW flyer becoming available...and the Vyper and Falcon which arguably do the same thing...just no missiles like the DE flyer. So redo the Vyper and add some missiles maybe?

wake me up when we get pics of plastic wraith guard and a new Avatar.....untill then

also, I'd like to see plastic rangers but that'll never happen. the finecast ones look too good for now :/

Frankly, we have alot of good minis in the range already, some of the best in the game. It's the rules that i'm mostly interested in.

I'd love to see a change in the way the Vyper is deployed. Once upon a time it was known as the Vyper Jetbike... yes jetbike. Seeing it as an upgrade for a standard Jetbike squad would be heavenly... with the jetbike movement rules included. Imagine a heavy weapons platform supporting a squad that can pop out shoot and jump back with the rest of the unit... and it's a troops choice (addon). I'd suddenly see them being used in games more often. Then promote the Hornet to fullfill the Vypers current Fast Attack role as the new FA light gunship.

Spot on Morachi, couldnt agree more.

I havent had use out of my vypers for years. Having them like an attackbike type upgrade would be great.

Heres hopin.

To add my 2 cents, they changed the Chimera and the Rhino frame a few years back. The rhino now looks amazing and is about 25% larger than the previous frame.

That required a recall and all new sculpts for everything related to them. Whirlwind, Predator, Ba'al, Vindicator, Rhino, Razor back.

When they changed the Chimera they had to redo the Basalisk as well, which was pretty big as it was the only imperial guard artillery choice at the time.

They also changed the Landraider which wasn't as big a deal as nothing else was based on it.

Celtic Strike wrote:To add my 2 cents, they changed the Chimera and the Rhino frame a few years back. The rhino now looks amazing and is about 25% larger than the previous frame.

That required a recall and all new sculpts for everything related to them. Whirlwind, Predator, Ba'al, Vindicator, Rhino, Razor back.

When they changed the Chimera they had to redo the Basalisk as well, which was pretty big as it was the only imperial guard artillery choice at the time.

They also changed the Landraider which wasn't as big a deal as nothing else was based on it.

The Rhino got changed in the late 90s. At the time, Razorbacks, Predators, Vindicators and Whirlwinds were all metal conversion kits for the plastic base model. The Chimera was just changed in the last two or three years, and that was only after the new hull was used in the Manticore/Deathstrike kit. The Basilisk was not redone at all; they just put the old Basilisk gun sprues in the box with the new kit. There was previously a Griffon which had the metal gun and gunshield on top of the plastic base Chimera, but it has since been discontinued. It would work in the current chimera though.

In other words, all of these things were trivial or cheap to produce metal molds. They never had expensive to produce extra plastic sprues that would no longer fit on a newer design, like the Wave Serpent and Fire Prism/Night Spinner kits. In other words, I don't see them changing the base Falcon body because it has aged extremely well and people like the look of it still. I could possibly see a recut like the Chimera kit where the base body assembly is just simplified for the sake of getting more bits on the sprue and cutting complexity of the kit, but if I recall the Falcon goes together pretty easily. So yeah, if there is a larger Eldar vehicle chassis, it would probably be for some kind of new heavy tank.

Kroothawk wrote:I think it is a bit too early to whine about the rules released in about a year. Not sure if the book is written at all ATM.
So new jetbike, several point reductions and new finecast characters is not exactly a new and insightful rumour.

QFT

Excited/Nervous to see what changes comes. The aspect-troop dynamic could be a lot of fun and offer some more list variation potentially. I would love to see a new avatar sculpt and just the esthetic evolution in general will be interesting to see. As anyone thinking about a new codex I'm a little nervous about what kind of nerfs/points changes will effect me but I will pray to Isha that there are some fun and positive changes.

My buddy whoops my Space Wolves with his Footdar list. Wraithguard are silly good especially with Eldrad. While much of the current Codex is underpowered, there is some stuff that could use a nerf as well.

The Rhino got changed in the late 90s. At the time, Razorbacks, Predators, Vindicators and Whirlwinds were all metal conversion kits for the plastic base model. The Chimera was just changed in the last two or three years, and that was only after the new hull was used in the Manticore/Deathstrike kit. The Basilisk was not redone at all; they just put the old Basilisk gun sprues in the box with the new kit. There was previously a Griffon which had the metal gun and gunshield on top of the plastic base Chimera, but it has since been discontinued. It would work in the current chimera though.

In other words, all of these things were trivial or cheap to produce metal molds. They never had expensive to produce extra plastic sprues that would no longer fit on a newer design, like the Wave Serpent and Fire Prism/Night Spinner kits. In other words, I don't see them changing the base Falcon body because it has aged extremely well and people like the look of it still. I could possibly see a recut like the Chimera kit where the base body assembly is just simplified for the sake of getting more bits on the sprue and cutting complexity of the kit, but if I recall the Falcon goes together pretty easily. So yeah, if there is a larger Eldar vehicle chassis, it would probably be for some kind of new heavy tank.

Yeah, that's true, but changing the wave serpent/ Falcon body wouldn't change the turret options if they did it right. Making the base bigger wouldn't necessarily alter the turret. If the plug in point was the same it wouldn't look out of place. I don't really think they will change it but I would like them too, having more realistically scaled vehicles would be rather nice.


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StoneRaizer wrote:My buddy whoops my Space Wolves with his Footdar list. Wraithguard are silly good especially with Eldrad. While much of the current Codex is underpowered, there is some stuff that could use a nerf as well.

Also, if you think Wraithguard are OP at 36 points each you haven't played against them well enough. haha.

Morachi wrote:Frankly, we have alot of good minis in the range already, some of the best in the game. It's the rules that i'm mostly interested in.

I'd love to see a change in the way the Vyper is deployed. Once upon a time it was known as the Vyper Jetbike... yes jetbike. Seeing it as an upgrade for a standard Jetbike squad would be heavenly... with the jetbike movement rules included. Imagine a heavy weapons platform supporting a squad that can pop out shoot and jump back with the rest of the unit... and it's a troops choice (addon). I'd suddenly see them being used in games more often. Then promote the Hornet to fullfill the Vypers current Fast Attack role as the new FA light gunship.

I could see this as very possible, given what the new "Storm Talon" for Space Marines is supposed to do. An "escort" for a Jetbike unit. However, if you want it to function with the "Jetbike" rule....that would probably mean it getting a statline more akin to an attack bike than a vehicle?

More than likely, which I would be fine with. Something like W2 etc would be just dandy. A rule akin to Aerial Assault would be nice to take full advantage of a Shuriken Cannon and Scatter Laser would be great (being able to fire both above St4)... then again that only applies to Vehicles, and for all intents and purposes it wouldn't be one with a toughness stat. Perhaps more akin to the way a Wraithlord functions with dual weapon loadouts.

Aerial Assault for the Falcon would return it back to its former Gunship glory, however it those Hornets sneak into the main 'Dex then there will be some serious competition for the Gunship of choice. I did like the move of the Night Spinner to a FA slot in IA11, opened up some very interesting FOC mixes. As did the introduction of Wasps, giving back that element of speed and "hide & seek" to the Eldar once more. If this became reality we might find Eldar skirmish tactics closely following their equiv BFG playstyle.

Small, Far Away wrote:I so desperatly want this codex to rock. I really want to play my Eldar again.

I for one look forward to more Eldar coming out of the closet.

No plastic Wraithguard? Bah.

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:No plastic Wraithguard? Bah.

I know that's what I want too!

Although they would be in the dreaded 3 for $54.50 category, I'm sure...