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**pretre**

Saw this on Faeit212, if someone has the original link to the posts, please post it and I'll update.

Original Warseer Thread

via Stickmonkey
I have some very early Eldar rumors. First let me start with a very clear disclaimer:
THESE ARE EARLY RUMORS, CODEX ELDAR IS RUMORED MID TO LATE 2013! I EXPECT MUCH OF THIS TO CHANGE OR EVOLVE FROM WHAT I AM HEARING TODAY!

Ok, very small list, so on to what Im hearing:
Aspects all have a way to move to troops. However, some are limited to one unit only. The phoenix Lords are NOT this mechanism supposedly.

Guardians have a slight points reduction.

Tanks ( night spinner, fire prism, falcon) have a point reduction.

Transports are about the same cost.

Storm guardians are an upgrade of normal guardians.

Rumor those units requiring a guide (wraithguard , wraithlord) longer sit idle when out side range and rolling a 1. Instead they can make a move towards a warlock or other guide. Engaging these units in cc while they are outside their guides range will have penalties, treat as ws 1, i 1. However, guides will have "buffs" they can give. Reroll to hit, bonus save, etc. (To me this sounds suspiciously like changes to nids and the tervigon)

via Romanus (note:A little extra salt here)
heard that they have played with Wave serpents Energy Shields becoming weaker, in that they loose there negative effects against melta etc. Still these are playtesting rumors at this stage so subject to a huge variable of change.

From what I have heard and from other sources around the interwebs the first wave for Eldar would look like:

Flyer - Possibly with 2nd wave flyer release (supposedly related to the large vehicle chassis), I have also heard it is the Nightwing but this would contradict what GW has been saying lately that there wouldn't be anymore direct ports from FW

New Plastic Jetbikes (seen Games Day 2010)
New Plastic Vyper
Larger Vehicle Chassis
Guardian Box incorporating Storm and Battle guardians???
Finecast characters

I know that Eldar are being worked on at the moment, but its mostly throwing around Ideas and seeing how they work. I'm not 100% sure on the design sequence that GW follows but this would seem pretty prelim to me. I know that this has been going on for around six months so far, with some pretty nifty ideas being tried. Thats all I'll say on the matter though.

Redemption wrote:Some more information:

eldargal;6220278 wrote:I've been debating whether to post this or not, but I may as well. This is what I've heard is coming in terms of kits:

New Avatar sculpt
New Falcon variants
Entirely new vehicle
New jetbikes and vyper jetbike models
New character sculpts, new special character(s) and new SC sculpts
New versions of Aspect warriors, similar to current models but 'more dynamic'

That is everything, no more details than that, source has been semi-reliable but I've not been able to corroborate this with any reliable rumourmongers as yet.

Stickmonkey;6220572 wrote:Eldargal,
I've hear there have been CAD sculpts seen in the past 6 months for all of the aspects AND wraithguard, just dont know if they will be finecast or get broke out to plastic kits yet.

My newest batch of rumors here is coming from playtest notes, which are notoriously unreliable this far out form codex release, but they do indicate the direction being thought.

Also a bit more on the wave serpent. Couple things have been tried on the shield, from 4+ invul on any penetrating hit, to something similar to the necron shield where the armor drops after its penetrated once. The rumors are all over the board there, but one thing is certain that mechanic is being looked at and will lkely work differently in the final codex.

As far as the phoenix lords go, they are rumored to provide a table wide buff to their aspect units while on the board. For instance Karandras is rumored to grant +1A or +1S to Scorpions.

I'll be adding these two to the Rumor Monger thread.

**Absolutionis**

Nothing too revolutionary, but it's good to know that Eldar are being worked on by trusted rumor sources.

Aspect troops, 'fixed' Guardians, cheaper Falcons, finecast everything, a new flyer, new jetbikes, new vyper, and modified Wraithsight have all been on Eldar players' wishlists for some time now.

**Brother SRM**

Those are almost all such "givens" that they seem like rumors made up just to give their speakers credibility. Finecast characters, plastic jetbikes that we've seen at Gamesday, Storm Guardians just being an upgrade and Guardians getting a points reduction could have been predicted by anybody. Points drops across the board are also something anyone could see coming, considering every codex since Codex; Eldar has had points drops. The only things in here that are at all surprising are the mention of a larger vehicle somewhere (so vague it has to be true!) and moving Aspect Warriors to troops through different means, which is also pretty obvious considering how many codices have similar analogs in them, with Nobz to troops, Wolf Guard to troops, and so on.

**Fosner1703**

I love how the interwebs is making people put a disclaimer on their rumors now.

*****Just in case you didn't know, I am passing these rumors that may, or may not change. Thank you for reading this information that I could of held to myself, and for not blaming me if Games Workshop chooses to in the future change something that was unforeseen.*****

or they could go and just post the definition of rumor.
ru·mor - /ˈro omər/ Noun: A currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth:

**Brother SRM**

It's so they can cover their ass when the rumors inevitably don't pan out.

**Avatar 720**

Not buying Romanus' personally; making energy fields weaker for no advertised change in Serpent cost would be nonsensical; larger vehicle chassis would require the vast majority of Eldar vehicles to be re-made and re-boxed, which I would 101% say that GW would not do. The chassis has aged extremely well, and if anything, needs to become a little smaller unless they want to have skimmers larger than Land Raiders.

I cannot forsee them recalling the Serpent, Falcon and Prism kits just to make the chassis bigger, especially since it won't just affect those three, but also the FW Warp Hunter and Firestorm.

The plastic jetbikes and vyper are pretty much common sense, and FC Characters are already implemented across half the range.

**reps0l**

Brother SRM wrote:It's so they can cover their ass when the rumors inevitably don't pan out.

I think Fosner1703's point is that you are already covered when you say it is a rumor...implied by definition.

**Redemption**

pretre wrote:Saw this on Faeit212, if someone has the original link to the posts, please post it and I'll update.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?341194-Early-Eldar-rumors

Avatar 720 wrote:larger vehicle chassis would require the vast majority of Eldar vehicles to be re-made and re-boxed, which I would 101% say that GW would not do. The chassis has aged extremely well, and if anything, needs to become a little smaller unless they want to have skimmers larger than Land Raiders.

I'm assuming he's talking about a new larger chassis to coexist next to the Falcon/Fire Prism/Wave Serpent chassis. There has been more more talk about that from different sources.

**Brother SRM**

reps0l wrote:
I think Fosner1703's point is that you are already covered when you say it is a rumor...implied by definition.

Yes, but a lot of people take these rumors as gospel for whatever reason. I remember when the "Summer of Fliers" didn't pan out and there were people raging that GW screwed up again, pushed back this release etc. when there really never was anything to go off of.

**pretre**

@Redemption: Thanks, I updated the first post.

**oldone**

Good news to hear eldar getting treatment hope GW gets it right this time, and hopefully wave serpents get something new otherwise there costly transport get worse ? Can I bet there's going to be some new transport that's super amazing

on this New chassis?

**Redemption**

Some more information:

eldargal;6220278 wrote:I've been debating whether to post this or not, but I may as well. This is what I've heard is coming in terms of kits:

New Avatar sculpt
New Falcon variants
Entirely new vehicle
New jetbikes and vyper jetbike models
New character sculpts, new special character(s) and new SC sculpts
New versions of Aspect warriors, similar to current models but 'more dynamic'

That is everything, no more details than that, source has been semi-reliable but I've not been able to corroborate this with any reliable rumourmongers as yet.

Stickmonkey;6220572 wrote:Eldargal,
I've hear there have been CAD sculpts seen in the past 6 months for all of the aspects AND wraithguard, just dont know if they will be finecast or get broke out to plastic kits yet.

My newest batch of rumors here is coming from playtest notes, which are notoriously unreliable this far out form codex release, but they do indicate the direction being thought.

Also a bit more on the wave serpent. Couple things have been tried on the shield, from 4+ invul on any penetrating hit, to something similar to the necron shield where the armor drops after its penetrated once. The rumors are all over the board there, but one thing is certain that mechanic is being looked at and will lkely work differently in the final codex.

As far as the phoenix lords go, they are rumored to provide a table wide buff to their aspect units while on the board. For instance Karandras is rumored to grant +1A or +1S to Scorpions.

**pretre**

Thanks, Redemption. Added to the OP.

**catharsix**

I think the biggest question for me would be how much of the total range of new models will be Finecast? I think plastic kits for Aspect Warriors might tempt me into starting an Eldar force, but if they made a plastic Avatar kit (given the track record of new plastic kits) that'd almost certainly push me over into the abyss. Aspect Warriors on par with the great Jes Goodyn Dark Eldar Warriors and Wyches kits? Yes, please!

If, however, they put out 5-man, super-expensive, Finecast Aspect Warrior resculpt sets, that would completely extinguish my interest period. If I were to start an Eldar force, I'd want copious Aspect Warriors rather than Guardians, but I generally insist on plastic kits for Troops choices. They did really good on DE and Crons (Immortals/Deathmarks and Praetorians/Lychguard sets), and if they could do that again with Eldar, it'd be super-tempting.

-C6

**pretre**

It seems like the direction they are going. Have they put out a troop model not in plastic in quite some time?

**Mahtamori**

Something's itching me about the Storm Guardian rumour... Storm Guardians are already upgrades for Defender Guardians.

**alphaomega**

pretre wrote:It seems like the direction they are going. Have they put out a troop model not in plastic in quite some time?

Flayed ones.

There rumours sound good mind.

**Small, Far Away**

I so desperatly want this codex to rock. I really want to play my Eldar again.

**Redemption**

alphaomega wrote:Flayed ones.

Those are Elites.

**Xeriapt**

Redemption wrote:
alphaomega wrote:Flayed ones.

Those are Elites.

I thought in the OP that aspects all have a way of moving to troops. Implying they are probably elite or such to start with.
I think wracks are a good example of models you can have a as troops in finecast.

**Starfarer**

Xeriapt beat me to it.

Aspects are Elites, with the exception of Dire Avengers, which are already plastic, and Shining Spears are half plastic(although not Troops), which should be redone with the new jetbikes.

Not saying aspect warriors going plastic isn't possible, but making the argument no recent troops have not been plastic isn't relevant when talking about aspect warriors.

**ColdSadHungry**

I reckon that the phoenix lords probably won't be HQs. It's more likely that you'll be able to upgrade one character in an aspect squad to a phoenix lord instead of an exarch for just one squad, making that squad a troop choice. Otherwise, how are they going to avoid the Eldar having too many HQs? We already have Eldrad, Farseers, Yriel, Autarchs, the Corsairs Prince, the Corsairs Farseer (forget the name right now), the Avatar and perhaps the Wraithseer. If you also had all of the Phoenix Lords - not forgetting the new Shadow Specters phoenix Lord - then you'd have too many HQs to be viable. The Eldar also have Warlocks.

I can see Warlocks becoming sanguinary priest style 0-3 Elites and the phoenix lords becoming squad leader upgrades. Space Wolves have already set the precedent for having more than 2 HQs so why not Eldar too? Only problem is that the ability to take lots of them on top of other HQs may mean they'd take a nerf which doesn't fit in with their eternal warrior type status. It will be interesting to see what they do with them.

**Brother SRM**

I think it's a definite possibility to do some combined Aspect Warrior kits. The bodysuits for many of them are fairly similar, and it's just the heads, arms, and backpacks that mark them out the most.

**Absolutionis**

Brother SRM wrote:I think it's a definite possibility to do some combined Aspect Warrior kits. The bodysuits for many of them are fairly similar, and it's just the heads, arms, and backpacks that mark them out the most.

Somewhat disagree.

When Dark Eldar got their huge revamp, each "Aspect" from Incubi to Warriors to Wyches to Mandrakes to especially the Hellions and Scourges got their own box.
Necron Flayed Ones, Immortals, and Warriors have slightly similar bodies with marginal differences, but they're separate boxes. Even the Flayed Ones, with otherwise fine old models, got inexplicable remakes (for the worse).
Even the almost-similar Tyranid Gaunts have separate boxes now, but have had them all along.

The only marginally related aspects are Dragons and Avengers, and Avengers already have a plastic kit that works fine.
The 'modern' Aspects are fine and reboxed except for Spiders and Hawks showing age in metal/finecast.

**-Loki-**

Absolutionis wrote:Even the almost-similar Tyranid Gaunts have separate boxes now, but have had them all along.

They were originally a 'dual kit', in that they were a box of 16, with 8 Hormagaunt bodies, 8 Termagant bodies, and a weapon and biomorph frame.

**Absolutionis**

-Loki- wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:Even the almost-similar Tyranid Gaunts have separate boxes now, but have had them all along.

They were originally a 'dual kit', in that they were a box of 16, with 8 Hormagaunt bodies, 8 Termagant bodies, and a weapon and biomorph frame.

Yes, but you bought the box and there wasn't much of an option to make Hormagaunts or Termagants. You had to do both (or leaping Spinegaunts, I guess).

All the more evidence that GW is trending towards keeping/putting existing models in separate boxes and if there's any dual-kits, it'll be completely new things.

**Swordwind**

New Aspects and Wraithguard please.

As long as they're not Finecast.

**Xeriapt**

Id settle for some new wraithguard models. Maybe a new wraithlord model would be cool, the current one isnt bad though.

Iv wanted to do a wraith list for a while but in the current book they seem like they would be rather difficult to play.

**KarlPedder**

Avatar 720 wrote:Not buying Romanus' personally; making energy fields weaker for no advertised change in Serpent cost would be nonsensical; larger vehicle chassis would require the vast majority of Eldar vehicles to be re-made and re-boxed, which I would 101% say that GW would not do. The chassis has aged extremely well, and if anything, needs to become a little smaller unless they want to have skimmers larger than Land Raiders.

I cannot forsee them recalling the Serpent, Falcon and Prism kits just to make the chassis bigger, especially since it won't just affect those three, but also the FW Warp Hunter and Firestorm.

The plastic jetbikes and vyper are pretty much common sense, and FC Characters are already implemented across half the range.

I think you are confused the "Larger vehicle chassis" isn't about replacing the Serpent, Falcon, Prism and Spinner chassis it's about adding another one you know like if you compared the chassis for those vehicles to say a Rhino the new one would be like a Land Raider.....

**tedurur**

Serpents becoming worse and staying the same price? Yeah, not gonna heppen. They are already ~20pts too expensive.