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Fafnir wrote:Mylo already did the job a while ago.

That was meant to be jokingly named though, if you listen to the track with the same name it's some proselytising church guy reading out a list of bands which are an 'affront to God' or some such nonsense.

Rock will never die, it just peaks and troughs in terms of popularity! In some ways it might well be heading towards a rise again - album sales have reached such a low (and single sales have been practically non existent for the last 20 years or so anyway) that I've read live shows are becoming a bigger and bigger revenue stream for bands these days. Someone like Muse who can pack out 50,000 people into Wembley Stadium will make a lot of money for it, pop acts which rely more on the album sales don't really have this kind of option open to them.

So, I think there is always going to be an opening for people who can play an instrument, and Rock is one permutation of that.

Rock musicians are among the greatest live entertainers around...
As long as people still turn up to listen to live music rock won't die...

Jubear wrote:True but punk peaked in the early to mid nineties 1977 so it wont die but it sure as hell not any getting better.

FTFY

English Assassin wrote:

Jubear wrote:True but punk peaked in the early to mid nineties 1977 so it wont die but it sure as hell not any getting better.

FTFY

I hear this a lot, and I just never understand it. The 1970s punk movement was largely a counter-culture to the refined sounds of pop and disco music, wherein punk-rock musicians could barely even play their own instruments. To paraphrase Debbie Harry: it was a self-defeating movement, as the artists would simply improve as musicians as time progressed, and they would naturally sound more refined themselves.

And as much as I like Give 'em Enough Rope, The Clash didn't start putting out their best work until '79.

I largely prefer the mid-1990s.

azazel the cat wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

Jubear wrote:True but punk peaked in the early to mid nineties 1977 so it wont die but it sure as hell not any getting better.

FTFY

I hear this a lot, and I just never understand it. The 1970s punk movement was largely a counter-culture to the refined sounds of pop and disco music, wherein punk-rock musicians could barely even play their own instruments. To paraphrase Debbie Harry: it was a self-defeating movement, as the artists would simply improve as musicians as time progressed, and they would naturally sound more refined themselves.

And as much as I like Give 'em Enough Rope, The Clash didn't start putting out their best work until '79.

I largely prefer the mid-1990s.

Other then The Clash I almost no time for 70s era punk its slow boring and more focused on trying to be shocking rather then music for the sake of music.

Streetpunk and Ska are coming back in a big way musically

azazel the cat wrote: Def Leppard stopped making records.

Dude, Def Leppard haven't stopped yet. Even with "the new guy" of 18 years (Viv Campbell). They are still cutting wax.

I wish that Kiss stopped though. Their time has passed.

chromedog wrote:I wish that Kiss stopped though. Their time has passed.

I don't know, I thought 'Modern Day Delilah' was pretty good. And the classics redone for the bonus CD were the best I've heard yet. KISS has refined it's sound a lot over the years as well.

(Says the man wearing a "Sonic BOOM" T-shirt...)

Again. reasons for many of you to not to coexist with Disco freeks and to become a bane to them. ?

azazel the cat wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

Jubear wrote:True but punk peaked in the early to mid nineties 1977 so it wont die but it sure as hell not any getting better.

FTFY

I hear this a lot, and I just never understand it. The 1970s punk movement was largely a counter-culture to the refined sounds of pop and disco music, wherein punk-rock musicians could barely even play their own instruments. To paraphrase Debbie Harry: it was a self-defeating movement, as the artists would simply improve as musicians as time progressed, and they would naturally sound more refined themselves.

And as much as I like Give 'em Enough Rope, The Clash didn't start putting out their best work until '79.

I largely prefer the mid-1990s.

And do Punk fans declare themself a bane to all Disco fabulousness?
And which side of an arguements will you be?

Why do so many people like Fething dubstep? It sounds like when my computer had dial-up back in the 90's and made all sorts of screeching noises. Seriously, I could make way better music than "bands" like Skrillex on my freaking macbook.

^ so Do it if you think you are a deejay.

L.

Lone Cat wrote:^ so Do it if you think you are a deejay.

L.

Yes because it take heaps of skill to use cakewalk and a set of tables....DJing is just for folk that tried to learn a real instrument and went "feth this is hard I know I will just become a DJ" Zero respect for 99% of DJs. Every now and then you will hear one that actaully has some real musical skill and surprise surprise he has a background with real instruments...

GalacticDefender wrote:Why do so many people like Fething dubstep? It sounds like when my computer had dial-up back in the 90's and made all sorts of screeching noises. Seriously, I could make way better music than "bands" like Skrillex on my freaking macbook.

Go on then...
I like the way some of it sounds.
If you can make something you think sounds better i'll listen to that as well...

dubstep wrote:doooooooooooooWOOOOOOOBBBBBBBBeeEEEeeeEWeePPwePPpwweeePPeewweepp weeppp KRRREHSHSHGHGSHSGSHHRRH bboooooo WEEEPWEEPPWEWEPWWWEEEPWEWEPBooooooooSSSHHEEpEeeppEEEppEEppeEEPpeEPpeepEPPEPbwwooooKRRGHGHRHGHRoooooooooobbbwwoooooEEEPEPPEPEPEEPPEPEPEbwOOOwwooooEEPEPEeeEPEEPEEEPEEPEPEPEPEPe GRAAAGHGHHHGHRRHDOOOOSSHHeEEeeeeeeeeEeee

THAT'S music.

"American" rock is a dying animal.... as The Ramones put it, "Lately it all sounds the same to me."
Corporate influence has been killing the recording industry for the last 40 years. Executives with little to no music experience or knowledge have been making decisions about what gets recorded and played. When the "people" find something different, the industry runs it into the ground, producing crap that sounds just like every other group from that style.
Which is part of the reason they hate the internet. They have zero control over what gets put out over web.... and they want that control.

purplefood wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:Why do so many people like Fething dubstep? It sounds like when my computer had dial-up back in the 90's and made all sorts of screeching noises. Seriously, I could make way better music than "bands" like Skrillex on my freaking macbook.

Go on then...
I like the way some of it sounds.
If you can make something you think sounds better i'll listen to that as well...

Nah, I'll stick to actually playing my Bass Guitar instead of twisting some knobs and adjusting settings.

GalacticDefender wrote:

purplefood wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:Why do so many people like Fething dubstep? It sounds like when my computer had dial-up back in the 90's and made all sorts of screeching noises. Seriously, I could make way better music than "bands" like Skrillex on my freaking macbook.

Go on then...
I like the way some of it sounds.
If you can make something you think sounds better i'll listen to that as well...

Nah, I'll stick to actually playing my Bass Guitar instead of twisting some knobs and adjusting settings.

Here here!

Dubstep WILL NOT kill the metal.

I think the Korn/Skrillex collaboration sounds awesome.

Rock isn't dying, Music in general is. I know alot of people say that, but listen to this. Just fething LISTEN to this song for it's full duration.

I can not beleive I am giving this song publicity, but here you are:




It is NOTHING but a Chorus and a Doo-de-doo-de-doo-de-doo-de-doo-de for FOUR minutes. And then go to this page and see how many likes and comments it has. AND take into account that it's played on the radio EVERY. FETHING. HOUR.

Dubstep, when done well can be pretty good, but it's far from the best that electronic music has to offer, not even in the same ball park as the likes of squarepusher and AFX.

Rock will always evolve, although I think we may be at a crossroads, where its become very difficult to make it when labels are only supporting "safe investments." Hopefully with all this "talent" show dirge we will soon see a backlash on par with '76/'77.

I would like to comment about how hilarious it is that almost all of the American Idol winners never do anything, but the runner ups have multiple records out.

Wasn't the first winner the only one whose done anything after the show?

Whenever I hear the song "boyfriend" by JB (or any other similar song, because 70 percent of musioc these days sounds as bad), I feel the unshakable urge to FETHING KILL SOMEONE.

Slarg232 wrote:Rock isn't dying, Music in general is. I know alot of people say that, but listen to this. Just fething LISTEN to this song for it's full duration.

I would say that music is like the ocean.... We may be just going through a "low tide" of sorts. I know my own musical tastes do this. Right now, I'm on a real metal kick.. So my playlist includes Lamb of God, Mastodon, Nile, Born of Osiris, Witchery, Slayer, Pantera, Megadeth, Dethklok (funnily enough, they made some decent sounding metal), and still more besides.

I know that people hate on dubstep, but I still think that rap is by far and away the worst "musical" form in existence. By and large it doesn't follow ANY musical rules, and by that I mean, there are no discern-able differences between melody, harmony, key.. none.. it's literally some d-bag TALKING with some drums and random techno noise in the background. I could be a better rapper by reading Dr. Seuss with GalacticDefender's Macbook

Whenever I go on a techno binge, I do try to experience as much different stuff as I can, previous to my latest metal kick, I was really diggin' Deadmau5, and basically any other house music I could find that was decent.


And anyone who would say that they hate Rock Operas, I would strongly suggest they check out Ayreon, i personally think its some amazing stuff.

helgrenze wrote:"American" rock is a dying animal.... as The Ramones put it, "Lately it all sounds the same to me."
Corporate influence has been killing the recording industry for the last 40 years. Executives with little to no music experience or knowledge have been making decisions about what gets recorded and played. When the "people" find something different, the industry runs it into the ground, producing crap that sounds just like every other group from that style.
Which is part of the reason they hate the internet. They have zero control over what gets put out over web.... and they want that control.

Hackers always wins.

For you. what consitiutes 'American Rock'. and do the following counts?
1. Linkin Park
2. Bon Jovi
3. Aerosmith
4. The Calling

And what do you think of an emerging Korean pop? is it also score a big hit anywhere in the US? anywhere outside Asian collective settlements.

Honestly, I don't mind Rap. Rap artists aren't terrible, and Rap IS the best form of music to get a point across; they would easily be able to get the most lyrics per minute over any other genre if they wanted to.


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Ensis Ferrae wrote:
And anyone who would say that they hate Rock Operas, I would strongly suggest they check out Ayreon, i personally think its some amazing stuff.

You sir, are a god walking amongst mere mortals. Ayreon is fething awesome.

Slarg232 wrote:Rock isn't dying, Music in general is.

NO.

There was crap music in every generation. You're just viewing the past through rose tinted glasses. The styling may have changed, but there's been crap everywhere all the time.

I know alot of people say that, but listen to this. Just fething LISTEN to this song for it's full duration.

I can not beleive I am giving this song publicity, but here you are:




It is NOTHING but a Chorus and a Doo-de-doo-de-doo-de-doo-de-doo-de for FOUR minutes. And then go to this page and see how many likes and comments it has. AND take into account that it's played on the radio EVERY. FETHING. HOUR.

That's one example of one mediocre song.

I can list tonnes of fantastic music that's come out within the past three years. If you're willing to dig deep enough, there are plenty of musicians out there who are pushing music as a whole into new places that it's never gone before, and was never thought to have been able to go before. Beyond the thick layer of gak that fills every generation, the future of music is looking brighter than ever, and the breadth of genres and styles to choose from is only getting deeper.

Jubear wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:^ so Do it if you think you are a deejay.

L.

Yes because it take heaps of skill to use cakewalk and a set of tables....DJing is just for folk that tried to learn a real instrument and went "feth this is hard I know I will just become a DJ" Zero respect for 99% of DJs. Every now and then you will hear one that actaully has some real musical skill and surprise surprise he has a background with real instruments...

Many electronic artists also DJ. There's a big difference between a good DJ and a bad one. A good DJ will alter the music that's being played live to create a completely original performance.

I don't know if rock is dying so much as it's getting a lot harder to find the really good bands that are out there. In my area, we have lots of rock bands (for some reason the south seems to bring out the hard rock in people) and a couple are really good. The biggest problem is both exposure and finding venues that will support a thriving rock community, which is harder than it sounds. I work a lot with bands and the music industry in general (I do sound setup, loadout, roady, you name it) and that's the number one complaint among bands. They need more places to PLAY.

The other problem I hate is the rise of autotuning and over production in general. Rock music is about being loud, raw, aggressive, in your face. It's supposed to make you feel pumped up and alive. When you sit there and clean up every guitar line, every slightly off key vocal, every slight variation to the beat on a drum kit, you effectively kill any chance that band had of recording an awesome song. Black Stone Cherry, a hard rock band from a town not too far where I live in KY, had this happen to them HARD. Their first album felt like a real rock album, although some songs were a little too clean. However, their newest album has been cleaned up to the point where it doesn't even sound like the same band anymore. Which really depresses me, because I know they don't play like that live. If I recall correctly, Nickleback fell victim to the same thing, only they didn't bother to fight it.

If you need help finding good new rock music, just get on pandora for a few hours and let it start digging for cool stuff. The Muggs, Bang Camaro, the Answer, The Black Keys, Cage the Elephant, Airborne, Clutch, The black crowes, Charm City Devils, The Hives, The Hellacopters, The Raconteurs/White stripes, Tenacious D, Them Crooked Vultures, etc. etc. etc. I'm sure I left out tons of great bands, and that was with me just listing them off the top of my head. I was kind of liberal with "new" but anything after 1990 feels like the new "wave" of rock music to me.

Seriously, if you can't find good rock music, you aren't looking hard enough. It's everywhere, just gotta know where to look.

Since when is rock dieing?

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

I know that people hate on dubstep, but I still think that rap is by far and away the worst "musical" form in existence. By and large it doesn't follow ANY musical rules, and by that I mean, there are no discern-able differences between melody, harmony, key.. none.. it's literally some d-bag TALKING with some drums and random techno noise in the background. I could be a better rapper by reading Dr. Seuss with GalacticDefender's Macbook .

I disagree...