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And the eversor assassin that's figured out how to make use of shadow fields? With free re-rolls of everything under a 2?

n0t_u wrote:Don't forget the dozens of Stealth Suits that had moved into position as well.

or the "emperor" in your gaming case that doesn't need to be in play because his presence is enough to deal damage.

One of my (ork) friends was playing a German player at my local GW, and he tried to fool the German (SM) player saying that Orks have 2 attacks each! The SM player then went and checked his codex, and was pretty annoyed for being cheated like that!

progreen10 wrote:One of my (ork) friends was playing a German player at my local GW, and he tried to fool the German (SM) player saying that Orks have 2 attacks each! The SM player then went and checked his codex, and was pretty annoyed for being cheated like that!

Uhmm either I read that wrong or the ork player is correct. A boy armed with a Shoota has 2 base attacks. Give him a Choppa/Slugga and he now has 3 base 4 if he charges. Not to mention that orks have Furious Charge so a boy would even be STR 4 the first round of HtH if they are the ones that charge in.

kitch102 wrote:Seriously Bobug? Wow, that's ridiculous. So apparently you can shoot your sniper thats on top of a very tall building, at my IC that's on top of a very tall building, but as there's (I dunno... pick anything....) a Tau drone in the way, I get a cover save? Riiiiight lol

Yeah exactly like that.... lol

And also, orks do have 2 attacks basic?

Bobug wrote:This guy who plays in the local GW store insists hes playing "tournament rules" and uses that excuse to be a total dick every game he plays, last game he was playing wih his 2v2 buddy (for a 2v2 tourney) vs a a beatifully painted and converted salamanders player and IG player, he was just being a total dick all game, deliberately trying to bend rules to his advantage, calling crap about ICs, and generally being an ass, finally the salamanders player fires his master of the forges conversion beamer at a completely in view, with no cover, absolutey nothing obsuring his LoS to the model, the guy INSISTED that the unit got a cover save, because apparently the coversion beamer was being fired "over" a rhino.

The said rhino on low ground, under the master of the forge, and the model being fired at was elevated above the master and the rhino, meaning there was literally nothing in the way, but the guy insisted that "40K doesnt take elevations into account and as the rhino is there firing over it gives me a 4+ cover save" even though literally everyone in the store came over and started telling him he was wrong that you use TLOS in 40k, citing numerous rules for cover saves, TLOS, and even an example pic TLOS that uses elevations in the rulebook

Dont think hes gunna get many games anymore...

So tournament rules = cheating? He's a cheater. Hope he learns a lesson.

Byte wrote:

Bobug wrote:This guy who plays in the local GW store insists hes playing "tournament rules" and uses that excuse to be a total dick every game he plays, last game he was playing wih his 2v2 buddy (for a 2v2 tourney) vs a a beatifully painted and converted salamanders player and IG player, he was just being a total dick all game, deliberately trying to bend rules to his advantage, calling crap about ICs, and generally being an ass, finally the salamanders player fires his master of the forges conversion beamer at a completely in view, with no cover, absolutey nothing obsuring his LoS to the model, the guy INSISTED that the unit got a cover save, because apparently the coversion beamer was being fired "over" a rhino.

The said rhino on low ground, under the master of the forge, and the model being fired at was elevated above the master and the rhino, meaning there was literally nothing in the way, but the guy insisted that "40K doesnt take elevations into account and as the rhino is there firing over it gives me a 4+ cover save" even though literally everyone in the store came over and started telling him he was wrong that you use TLOS in 40k, citing numerous rules for cover saves, TLOS, and even an example pic TLOS that uses elevations in the rulebook

Dont think hes gunna get many games anymore...

So tournament rules = cheating? He's a cheater. Hope he learns a lesson.

No tournament rules =/= cheating.

The guy bends rules, breaks them, and is being a jerk whenever he plays. His excuse is that he plays what HE calls "tournament rules". Tournament rules don't really have anything to do with it, since as far as I know tournaments use the same rulebook as my FLGS. The guy is just being a jerk and is trying to use some made up rules as an excuse for that.

Used to play a guy that ALWAYS stole inches, saw more saves made than were actually made, claimed crazy LoS and even disputed bike toughness not counting to ID when the rule was in front of him.

Just stop playing with people like that, you only live once.

d-usa wrote:

Byte wrote:

Bobug wrote:This guy who plays in the local GW store insists hes playing "tournament rules" and uses that excuse to be a total dick every game he plays, last game he was playing wih his 2v2 buddy (for a 2v2 tourney) vs a a beatifully painted and converted salamanders player and IG player, he was just being a total dick all game, deliberately trying to bend rules to his advantage, calling crap about ICs, and generally being an ass, finally the salamanders player fires his master of the forges conversion beamer at a completely in view, with no cover, absolutey nothing obsuring his LoS to the model, the guy INSISTED that the unit got a cover save, because apparently the coversion beamer was being fired "over" a rhino.

The said rhino on low ground, under the master of the forge, and the model being fired at was elevated above the master and the rhino, meaning there was literally nothing in the way, but the guy insisted that "40K doesnt take elevations into account and as the rhino is there firing over it gives me a 4+ cover save" even though literally everyone in the store came over and started telling him he was wrong that you use TLOS in 40k, citing numerous rules for cover saves, TLOS, and even an example pic TLOS that uses elevations in the rulebook

Dont think hes gunna get many games anymore...

So tournament rules = cheating? He's a cheater. Hope he learns a lesson.

No tournament rules =/= cheating.

The guy bends rules, breaks them, and is being a jerk whenever he plays. His excuse is that he plays what HE calls "tournament rules". Tournament rules don't really have anything to do with it, since as far as I know tournaments use the same rulebook as my FLGS. The guy is just being a jerk and is trying to use some made up rules as an excuse for that.

Yep I was clear on the point. I was pointing out his excuse was ridiculous.

My experience was that my Deff Dread got very close to the enemies land raider. He knocked it off the table and trod on it's arm.
I think that I would be justified to break his arm... Maybe in the gamin world but court might think different. Haha

Words cannot express my shock at that Varon! Surely there's a legal loop hole you can use...

No, but there's certainly a rope loop you can use.

Byte wrote:

d-usa wrote:Me missing the point

Yep I was clear on the point. I was pointing out his excuse was ridiculous.

My bad

chromedog wrote:No, but there's certainly a rope loop you can use.

Best thing I've heard all day. Thanks for the LOL.

Boss GreenNutz wrote:

progreen10 wrote:One of my (ork) friends was playing a German player at my local GW, and he tried to fool the German (SM) player saying that Orks have 2 attacks each! The SM player then went and checked his codex, and was pretty annoyed for being cheated like that!

Uhmm either I read that wrong or the ork player is correct. A boy armed with a Shoota has 2 base attacks. Give him a Choppa/Slugga and he now has 3 base 4 if he charges. Not to mention that orks have Furious Charge so a boy would even be STR 4 the first round of HtH if they are the ones that charge in.

Sorry, Typo, I meant 5

kitch102 wrote:Words cannot express my shock at that Varon! Surely there's a legal loop hole you can use...

In the state of Texas there is!
Especially if it is in your house.

As for a more OT response. I've had one guy try to tell me that he got FNP from my dissintegrators, old codex where they had plasma cannon stats. He also tried claiming that that he didn't have to take a dangerous terrain test when he moved his assault squad (w/ packs) on to the top level of a ruin because it was "flat on top" and "there was nothing dangerous to land on."

Hm, I think I can see why he'd say that (about the jump packs), sound like the kind of newbish thought process that I'd follow.

(Not in a douchey way, just because I don't know the full rules!)

I had a guy in a tournament (final game) that had some cheatey habits

1)Clear dice with white pips. "Why did you pick up that 2?" "Oh no, that was a 4." "..."
2)Moves 5 destroyers, and the one in the back ends up in the front. MAGIC.
3)Moving one scarab base measuring carefully, and the rest get fudged.
4)Rolled behind terrain and his vehicles a lot.
5)Had a printed, pirated codex.

When my friend and I had a game in the FLGS on the weekend, I was setting up my Nids and a couple of kids came over and said 'don't forget to use your drop pods to crush his bigger models, like in Dawn of War'.

We calmly explained that they can't do that, and why. He flew into a rage, accusing 'that guy' of cheating against him. Apparently someone wiped him off the table by simply dropping drop pods on his army.

Though it'd be sort of cool if they could. Sort of a risky move as the occupants could be trapped inside due to the disembarking rules as well.

Here's one that happened to a friend.

its DoW deployment, my friend has first turn. He deploys a squad of kroot on the 2' line to push back the opponents deployment. Opponent deploys his squad of paladins and ICs 18" away. Opponent then scout moves them forward thanks to Draigo. Opponent then siezes the initiative (he's quite good at this). Paladins move forward but dont shoot the kroot as they want the assault for more movement. Assault phase comes, and it turns out that the lead paladin is around 3" away from the kroot.

friend: "so if you started 18" away form me, scouted 6" and then moved 6", then why are you 3" away from me?"

opponent: "uhhh..."

Yeah, aside from that sort of thing, I don't care how good you are at deploying accurately. Getting a turn 1 charge off something that has an 18" assault threat radius is pretty much impossible.

Also, isn't the Dawn of War rule 'more than 18"?"

Bookwrack wrote:Also, isn't the Dawn of War rule 'more than 18"?"

Yep.

I don't usually go to play any games at GW stores but decided to go with a mate about 2 years ago. There was a redshirt hosting some games so we decided to join in with some Daemons. The bad guys; me and my friend plus some Tyranids, had to assault a fortress and beat the wall down (AV14). The redshirt controlled the Imperial side which included a larger SM force in addition to Mephiston and a Captain inside the fortress shooting all its "guns" which he decided it would be 3 plasma cannon shots a turn and some missiles. The game began and we got smashed immediately with most of the Tyranids dying, including the Carnifex being our only thing able to get through the AV 14. My friends demons got wiped by Mephiston but I was able to avenge him with my squad of Fiends while he was left exposed after the assault. This seemed to anger the redshirt who then called up some Dark Eldar "reinforcements" and obliterated every last remaining bad guy, we were almost dead too so I can only assume it was to rub it in our faces. I can see the kids that were on my team (I assume 10-12 yo) did not have fun at all seeing as all their troops got wiped fairly quickly, although I did enjoy killing Mephiston but that was the extent of all the fun I had. I have noticed in past games while I have been in store this particular redshirt always uses Mephiston, I guess because he likes to win.

Anyway the next game is announced and it is a Character bash; Characters controlled by players vs the redshirt's SM army and Mephiston (surprise!). We tell the guy we don't have characters so I get handed a Chaplain while my friend decides to sit out. The first turn Mephiston jumps (this was a small board btw) assaults my Chaplain and kills him and he hands it to me quite pleased with himself. The rest of the kids got slaughtered not surprisingly as they were given characters like Autarchs and SM captains, most of whom died to Dreadnoughts or Mephiston and weren't allowed to use Meltabombs as they didn't have them on the miniature. I decided it was time to go then so we headed out. It wasn't technically cheating but it was clear he wanted to manipulate the games so he could win. I'm not sure how this is going to want to make those kids go back to play or even buy stuff from the store, I sure as hell haven't ever gone back for a game.

What a prick!

I doubt he would still be employed after crap like that. Likely would have been there for a few months at most thankfully.