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I had a game a week ago, my DE and friends Tau vs Orcs and Chaos marines. We were kicking ass - seriously, owning the entire table. Then I noticed my opponents Chaos Lord was nowhere to be seen. Then I noticed, as I called an end to my assault phase (in which I'd used all possible movements against seemingly all visible enemies), the empty Chaos Lord sized base within charge range of my Archon and Incubi... Where the feth did that fething thing come from I hear you say? The very echoes of my own thoughts, friends. He had the model, just hadn't put it on the base to prevent me shooting the crap out of it, and charging it with my 3 pain token'd Archon, Incubi and 2 pain token'd Wyches.

Lo and behold! The Lord of the Dark Ones appear-eth! And chargeth! And kicketh arseth! Of everything but 1 Incubi, who then promptly lops his damned head from putrid armour.

Aside from the guy that was on my team (who I've bitched to more than enough about this sad occurence), noone else in my household understands as they're not in this most glorious of hobbies (frankly, they think I'm mad), so I figured I'd come here and bitch to you guys about it.

Then make a thread about it by asking "what dirty rotten bloody cheaters have you faced off against, and what dirty rotten bloody tactics have they used against you?"

Peace.

I wouldn't get upset about it... but then again, I wouldn't play someone that is only putting out a base without even any legs or ANYTHING on it even in a fun game. A proxy model would be highly preferable to an empty base!

So, now you know for next time... just don't play against empty bases, it's just too hard to keep track of what's where (and for TLOS purposes, of course).

Sooo... the model wasn't on the table? Why did you let him get away with it?

[waves hand]

This is not the model you are looking for...

Howard A Treesong wrote:Sooo... the model wasn't on the table? Why did you let him get away with it?

This would be my question as well.

Monster Rain wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Sooo... the model wasn't on the table? Why did you let him get away with it?

This would be my question as well.

Mine as well. While perfectly legit if you're testing things in Warmachine/Hordes(due to LoS being drawn to a volume of space determined by base size), in a TLoS game like 40K, it's bad form.

My Stormraven broke in transit once and fell off its base... my opponent let me just use the base by itself, but it worked against me as *I* forgot it was there

Platuan4th wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Sooo... the model wasn't on the table? Why did you let him get away with it?

This would be my question as well.

Mine as well. While perfectly legit if you're testing things in Warmachine/Hordes(due to LoS being drawn to a volume of space determined by base size), in a TLoS game like 40K, it's bad form.

It was my first "proper" game (had a couple of others, though this was the first non friendly) so, you know, learning curve. Honestly, everyone declared what they had so I knew he was in the game, the base just seemed to appear exactly where it needed to be, when it needed to be there lol. The Lord did bugger all else through out the game, so by turn 5 he was completely off my radar.

Cheating in a casual game is just low.

NEVER CHEAT. it takes all the fun out of winning. I have played with people who measured funny, only rolled certain dice for certain rolls, had tons of figures without weapons mounted on then who then suddenly seemed to have all the right special weapons when the time came etc.

My biggest pet peeve comes from either HOW gamers throw the dice, especially when they do the "drop" or roll the dice in a fashion similar to the drop without giving the a good, hands closed around the dice shake. If your not familiar with the drop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7ufOkRoShk

Another thing that i dont like is when my foe's list seems to be tailored to beat mine. "Oh, you just deceided to field a ton of flamers all of sudden on all of your marines, not like the fact that i was playing orks had anything to do with that. No."

Either way its best to play the game with people who are not fixated on winning and are more into the game for the sense of cinema modeling and camaraderie than they are about crushing you with their netlist. It makes for a more fun atmosphere and a more enjoyable game for all parties.

sennacherib wrote:My biggest pet peeve comes from either HOW gamers throw the dice, especially when they do the "drop" or roll the dice in a fashion similar to the drop without giving the a good, hands closed around the dice shake. If your not familiar with the drop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7ufOkRoShk

That man is a proper dice daemon!

sennacherib wrote:NEVER CHEAT. it takes all the fun out of winning. I have played with people who measured funny, only rolled certain dice for certain rolls, had tons of figures without weapons mounted on then who then suddenly seemed to have all the right special weapons when the time came etc.

My biggest pet peeve comes from either HOW gamers throw the dice, especially when they do the "drop" or roll the dice in a fashion similar to the drop without giving the a good, hands closed around the dice shake. If your not familiar with the drop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7ufOkRoShk

Another thing that i dont like is when my foe's list seems to be tailored to beat mine. "Oh, you just deceided to field a ton of flamers all of sudden on all of your marines, not like the fact that i was playing orks had anything to do with that. No."

Either way its best to play the game with people who are not fixated on winning and are more into the game for the sense of cinema modeling and camaraderie than they are about crushing you with their netlist. It makes for a more fun atmosphere and a more enjoyable game for all parties.

Dude, if yo're ever in Yorkshire (the best part of the UK ) give me a shout, we'll have a game

I've not seen that kindof dice roll before, it was nuts! Now I have to be sure to forget what I saw so I can't be accused of the same lol. One that gets me is when a random dice drops out of their hand, lands on the desired number, is checked, left as it's acceptable, and the rest are rolled. When the same thing happens later and its not the desired number, it gets re-rolled and a dismissive "I didn't roll it" from my opponent. That really grinds my gears!

In the same day, we faced off against another team as well that had watched our first game and knew our lists. The staff were lining people up to play against us so these guys were counted in, and exactly as you said, they bring out a massive IG force and SM bike force that seemed catered to wiping us out.

Weak sauce kitch102.
I make a whole bunch of different lists and keep em in the back of my rules book. There is usually one really nasty one that i reserve for play against foes who play broke @$$ lists. I just select one at random prior to the match.
FYI, if i am ever in England i would love a game. likewise if you ever come stateside.

I once moved my Rough Riders 18".

I don't know why I did it.

I don't know how I did it.

All I know is that my opponent said, 'wow, those guys are faster than I thought!' and I answered, 'not really. They're not in charge range of anything, so their 12" assault doesn't help.'

To which he said, "Then how'd they get all the way over there?"

To which I replied, "..."

"..."

"I don't know."

We just had to kick out a cheater from our campaign. From moving things with his measuring stick while measuring, to making up rules and insisting on them. He also went so far as to change his army list when he saw the opponent's set up... To the extreme that he had to drive home to get a model he "forgot".

I have no time for such people, and now he has no one to play with.

Thats why they invented the printer. Before someone evens tells you want army they brought, you exchange Lists and then that is it in stone.

If you agree to tell each other what armies you will be playing then you cant complain to much if someone tailors.

As for the missing Lord... I would just shake my head ina frinedly. In a tournament I wouldnt even play against a Modelless base.

While tailored lists are the sign of a less than honest person, I'm ok with playing against them. If I lose, it's what I expected. If I don't lose(also known as winning) then I usually lay a thick amount of pity on the other player by giving them pointers on how they could have done a better job of tailoring their list.

Oddly enough 40k has enough balance and randomness that its fairly difficult to make an truly effective tailored list, especially keeping in mind that those that resort to these tactics still are lacking in strategic skills(they suck).

kitch102 wrote:I had a game a week ago, my DE and friends Tau vs Orcs and Chaos marines. We were kicking ass - seriously, owning the entire table. Then I noticed my opponents Chaos Lord was nowhere to be seen. Then I noticed, as I called an end to my assault phase (in which I'd used all possible movements against seemingly all visible enemies), the empty Chaos Lord sized base within charge range of my Archon and Incubi... Where the feth did that fething thing come from I hear you say? The very echoes of my own thoughts, friends. He had the model, just hadn't put it on the base to prevent me shooting the crap out of it, and charging it with my 3 pain token'd Archon, Incubi and 2 pain token'd Wyches.

Lo and behold! The Lord of the Dark Ones appear-eth! And chargeth! And kicketh arseth! Of everything but 1 Incubi, who then promptly lops his damned head from putrid armour.

Aside from the guy that was on my team (who I've bitched to more than enough about this sad occurence), noone else in my household understands as they're not in this most glorious of hobbies (frankly, they think I'm mad), so I figured I'd come here and bitch to you guys about it.

Then make a thread about it by asking "what dirty rotten bloody cheaters have you faced off against, and what dirty rotten bloody tactics have they used against you?"

Peace.

I'd not play someone who doesn't even have the cajones to put the models together. Not quite a cheater, but more in lines with a TFG.


Hope you had fun, playing such a class act.

Henners91 wrote:My Stormraven broke in transit once and fell off its base... my opponent let me just use the base by itself, but it worked against me as *I* forgot it was there

I had a few games of Necromunda or 40K where I did such a great job of placing infiltrators into sneaky positions that I didn't even notice them after deployment and played entire games without them.

I've done that

I used to pay Daemonhunters, and had a Vindicare set up in a ruin, with a nice window view of the whole battlefield.

The ruin was dark grey, and the upper level was shading the lower level he was hiding in, in a dimly lit game-store.

He was chilling in there, texting his friends, all game...

I forget about him so thoroughly that i didn't recall i had him until the next match to use the table had an argument over him.

'Since when can CSM take a Vindicare??'

"um...he's not mine...'

Talk about embarrassing...

Lol that sucks, I left my Mandrakes on the left flank out of sight of my opponent. But as everything else of mine was on the right flank and he was going straight for them, I completely forgot about the 'drakes

Shoulda spent 75 points elsewhere lol

I was for awhile convinced that auto cannons had a blast
took 2 games for people to point it out to me.

This guy who plays in the local GW store insists hes playing "tournament rules" and uses that excuse to be a total dick every game he plays, last game he was playing wih his 2v2 buddy (for a 2v2 tourney) vs a a beatifully painted and converted salamanders player and IG player, he was just being a total dick all game, deliberately trying to bend rules to his advantage, calling crap about ICs, and generally being an ass, finally the salamanders player fires his master of the forges conversion beamer at a completely in view, with no cover, absolutey nothing obsuring his LoS to the model, the guy INSISTED that the unit got a cover save, because apparently the coversion beamer was being fired "over" a rhino.

The said rhino on low ground, under the master of the forge, and the model being fired at was elevated above the master and the rhino, meaning there was literally nothing in the way, but the guy insisted that "40K doesnt take elevations into account and as the rhino is there firing over it gives me a 4+ cover save" even though literally everyone in the store came over and started telling him he was wrong that you use TLOS in 40k, citing numerous rules for cover saves, TLOS, and even an example pic TLOS that uses elevations in the rulebook

Dont think hes gunna get many games anymore...

People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?

very very true..

I feel the same about people who cheat in muliplayer computer games dog. If you wanna cheat in single player thats fine. But its pretty sad to ruin someone else's experience to make yourself feel better.

Seriously Bobug? Wow, that's ridiculous. So apparently you can shoot your sniper thats on top of a very tall building, at my IC that's on top of a very tall building, but as there's (I dunno... pick anything....) a Tau drone in the way, I get a cover save? Riiiiight lol

And ddogwood earns an exalt. Congratulations sir.

There's a young gentleman in my flgs that seems to have quite acute special needs (I'm being as respectful as a keyboard will let me be) who insisted that as his character was fearless, he didn't need to take a leadership test to see if his head was squashed by some kindof psychic power. Then follows mega rage quit when he eventually, having passed the psychic test, is wiped out in combat by the Swarmlord.

He didn't even get to use his orbital bombardment

carlos13th wrote:I feel the same about people who cheat in muliplayer computer games dog. If you wanna cheat in single player thats fine. But its pretty sad to ruin someone else's experience to make yourself feel better.

As an Internet buddy of mine once said

It's other people that ruin my multiplayer experience for me

Obviously, the only answer to a base with no mini on it suddenly appearing is to have it assaulted by your own Talos, for which you have neither the model nor the base. Just assure him it's been on the table the whole time, and point to an empty spot in front of his army.

Don't forget the dozens of Stealth Suits that had moved into position as well.