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Relapse wrote:Something like that can't be sustained much longer. I truly think the collapse that is most likly coming is going to lead to a massive attitude adjustment about leaching off others when everyone is going to have their hands full just taking care of their own.

I would compare the relative costs of welfare payments vs total expenditure, but judging by the tone of what you're put it would be pointless.
So I will agree with you.
Yes, our economy is collapsing because of welfare payments. Go kill poor people.

Joey wrote:

Relapse wrote:Something like that can't be sustained much longer. I truly think the collapse that is most likly coming is going to lead to a massive attitude adjustment about leaching off others when everyone is going to have their hands full just taking care of their own.

I would compare the relative costs of welfare payments vs total expenditure, but judging by the tone of what you're put it would be pointless.
So I will agree with you.
Yes, our economy is collapsing because of welfare payments. Go kill poor people.

I didn't say it was collapsing because of welfare payments, although they can be a minor contributer. There are other factors in the collapse I believe is coming. Banks failing, government overspending and other factors that others here could more easily list and document come to mind.

Relapse wrote:I half suspect you have a thought or two on how this type of situation should be dealt with.

Nothing terribly serious that wouldn't start certain posters flaming me. Unexpected consequences are a real problem with laws.

Relapse wrote:I didn't say it was collapsing because of welfare payments, although they can be a minor contributer.

Income transfer payments are the problem. Whether it's welfare, social security, bailouts, or medicaid, they're all problems. The system creates incentives to mooch and disincentives to provide.

@bicat,

I agree with the unexpected consequences. I guess that's why it's hard to put anything concrete forward.
When things do collapse I figure it will all be sorted, but hopefully not in a negative way.
That's going to be the time you can expect to see some people really stand tall.

This is an exceptionally rare case. And cases like this have an easy solution: child limits. People can't have more than three children. Cutting off welfare and starving the children to death would also solve the problem, albeit in a less ethical way.

LoneLictor wrote:This is an exceptionally rare case. And cases like this have an easy solution: child limits. People can't have more than three children. Cutting off welfare and starving the children to death would also solve the problem, albeit in a less ethical way.

Don't let those extra kids starve! If we're going to be killing them, the hardest working taxpayers may as well get something back for it. After all they've already payed those first 3 kids that are still mooching. Kill off numbers 4+ sell their organs, return the earned money as a tax credit to the top earners/job creators to help offset the losses the moochers are causing them.

I think it could well be argued that having more children than you can afford to look after is a form of child abuse.

Considering pretty much every western nation really needs people to be making babies I think people are just being snobbish. If everyone had 1 or 2 babies our population would plumet and we'd bankrupt ourselves.

Because with 7 billion people isn't enough, and a lack of food, an issue with providing energy as fossil fuels run out, and an impending water crisis are going to be solved by MOAR PEEPELZ!!!!11

dæl wrote:Because with 7 billion people isn't enough, and a lack of food, an issue with providing energy as fossil fuels run out, and an impending water crisis are going to be solved by MOAR PEEPELZ!!!!11

Unless you can gak money out of your arse, someone needs to pay for my parents' pensions.

I'm reminded of Liar, Liar.

Except instead of "stop breaking the law arsehole!" it's...

STOP FETHING AROUND, ARSEHOLE!

There are more important things than money, this is he inherent problem with capitalism. You cannot have infinite growth based on finite resources. I for one would rather not live on a world with not enough food and water to go around and we aren't far from that at the moment.

dæl wrote:There are more important things than money, this is he inherent problem with capitalism. You cannot have infinite growth based on finite resources. I for one would rather not live on a world with not enough food and water to go around and we aren't far from that at the moment.

So my parents should starve because you can't be arsed to work?
You don't choose capitalism the way you don't choose to breathe. It's with us, get over it. Without it we would have nothing. 95% of us wouldn't be alive, and the ones that were would be covered in scabs and dying in a field.

Joey wrote:

dæl wrote:There are more important things than money, this is he inherent problem with capitalism. You cannot have infinite growth based on finite resources. I for one would rather not live on a world with not enough food and water to go around and we aren't far from that at the moment.

So my parents should starve because you can't be arsed to work?
You don't choose capitalism the way you don't choose to breathe. It's with us, get over it. Without it we would have nothing. 95% of us wouldn't be alive, and the ones that were would be covered in scabs and dying in a field.

I don't see many cooperatives where the old are left to starve because they don't have any money.

And I bow down to the greatness of Adam Smith for providing us with sanitation and medicine, Oh wait...

Skip the normal sterilization, cut his junk off. His kids shouldn't suffer, but he should. China has the right idea with limiting to two kids. Only the extra kids shouldn't be killed, the parents should be. Yes...I'm hating everything today. Feel free to just roll your eyes at me and ignore the crazy man today. I explained my reasons in another OT thread.

See this is why abortions should be kept legal and easily available.

It's not the kids' fault-the dad needs to be aborted. No anesthetic during the chopping.

timetowaste85 wrote:It's not the kids' fault-the dad needs to be aborted. No anesthetic during the chopping.

but if 30 other women choose to get an abortion than its wash.

Hopefully they (the kids) all keep the last name and are told about their father to prevent inbreeding.

sirlynchmob wrote:See this is why abortions should be kept legal and easily available.

Abortion as a means of population control is a bad idea.

Just sayin'.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Whats wrong is that these people go around reproducing recklessly, and we are expected to pay for it.

Didn't someone say "be fruitful and multiply" or some such?

biccat wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:See this is why abortions should be kept legal and easily available.

Abortion as a means of population control is a bad idea.

Just sayin'.

They're just bitter nerds who like looking for reasons to look down on people. I'd stay clear of this thread if I were you, you can't reason with such bs.

If adequate sex education was mandatory this kind of thing would be far less common.

dæl wrote:This is the kind of reporting that causes demonisation and contributes to reactionary idiots killing children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9269795/House-fire-which-killed-six-children-was-started-by-petrol-poured-through-letterbox.html

That's disgusting. Glad he and his wife decided to donate their son's organs, though. In death he will bring others life. Doesn't bring him back but allows some good to come out of such a sick and twisted mess.

Nah I don't think so. Pretty much the first time it happens to you, you probably become aware of the consequences.

This article made me recall Bill Cosby going off on the black community of today for allowing this sort of thing to continue.

Here is a commentary about part of what Mr Cosby said.