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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

ElBanshee wrote:Ok,people is a DR Ap - (and such,gives -1 in damage table)

Deff rollas are on Page 55 of the Ork Codex.

It will tell you what AP it is. If it does not list an AP, then it does not have an AP.

Which does not mean ap- correct me if I am wrong but no ap =\= ap- clarifying and all.

Correct. AP- and something that does not have an AP value are two different things.

DeathReaper wrote:

ElBanshee wrote:Ok,people is a DR Ap - (and such,gives -1 in damage table)

Deff rollas are on Page 55 of the Ork Codex.

It will tell you what AP it is. If it does not list an AP, then it does not have an AP.

Thanx

edit: ninja'd

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

ElBanshee wrote:Ok,people is a DR Ap - (and such,gives -1 in damage table)

Deff rollas are on Page 55 of the Ork Codex.

It will tell you what AP it is. If it does not list an AP, then it does not have an AP.

Which does not mean ap- correct me if I am wrong but no ap =\= ap- clarifying and all.


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Unless I. Wrong then confusing. (not clarifying)

correct

So basically it's just strength 10 hits with no AP correct?

Remember that AP only applies to shooting attacks. I'm not aware of any non-shooting attacks which have AP.

Mannahnin wrote:Remember that AP only applies to shooting attacks. I'm not aware of any non-shooting attacks which have AP.

Lol that's what I thought but everyone sounded like it did but....I got confused XD

Mannahnin wrote:Remember that AP only applies to shooting attacks. I'm not aware of any non-shooting attacks which have AP.

For now heh heh.

Mawlocs terror from the deep, and the Sallies special dreadnought both do non-shooting attacks that have an AP

nosferatu1001 wrote:Mawlocs terror from the deep, and the Sallies special dreadnought both do non-shooting attacks that have an AP

I wish they would let my deff rollas have one then. Freakin put five of them together two days ago and stabbed the out of my finger and it definitely had an AP value then -.-

In that case GW Cities of Death terrain is AP1.....seen much blood drawn on the spiked ramparts!

No kidding, my biker dok is splattered with real blood (in addition to painted) since my last city fight.

Have a new question, How does a deff rolla work against vehicles? I tried to use in on a vehicle tonight and was told rollas don't work on them...

Your opponent either lied, or didn't know any better.

Deff rollas do exactly the same thing against vehicles as the do against infantry.

They do this when you ram a vehicle with the Deffrolla equipped Battlewagon(or other vehicle capable of getting a deffrolla).

The GW FAQ Specifically allows it now(took several years before the question was officially answered); Faq is found here, under the link/heading Ork FAQ.

Some one conned you. Point them to the ork faq where it is clearly spelled out in plain English.

You declare you are ramming Target vehicle. You now move max distance possible towards said vehicle. If/when you connect you cause the basic RAM damage, and also cause d6 str 10 hits. If said vehicle explodes you continue till max distance is met. If it was a transport the people inside would take there explosion hits pinning check and if you have the distance a tank shock and some deff rolla hits. Mid you if you kust wreck said vehicle you stop.

man, that would have been game winning. It was against mech guard and I stopped a wagon short because I was told I couldn't use my rollas on the chimeras...he had 5 of them and I never got to use my rollas...=[


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I funneled my wagons into the corner just so I could rolla him and he said it didn't work like that...fml. I thought it did but I didn't wanna argue...

He just didn't want to take the steamrolling he was due.

He cheated/was misinformed, in other words.

Steamroll them tin bawkses

Sad part is I cleaved valks and chimeras with everything else and in all reality with those rollas in use that would have been a game winner. So as it stood at the end of 4 he had to objectives but I never got to use my rollas and I had a BW since 3 sitting there looking at all the nice chimeras not even moving and I could have just steamrolled them and then chopped everything else up with my nobs! AMG! I'm calling that a win for duh boys -.-

Dere's no such fing as a loss fer da boyz anywayz

Orks always winz.

But yeah, it sounds like you'd have won. Next time he argues that show him the FAQ.

Ascalam wrote:Dere's no such fing as a loss fer da boyz anywayz

Orks always winz.

But yeah, it sounds like you'd have won. Next time he argues that show him the FAQ.

tooo true. ORKZ ALWAYS WIN!
But yeah we contested one and he held the other but man...so upset XD lol definitely (no orky logic involved) calling that a win! =D


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And in reality I'm the only serious ork player in my area so it was an honest mistake and I can't fault him at all. So I'll just take what I know now and make sure some of those silly humies gets extra flat next game.
And think of this one as a win for duh boyz

It's always a good idea to simply keep a print-out of the newest FAQ in your codex

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:Some one conned you. Point them to the ork faq where it is clearly spelled out in plain English.

Either that or his opponent at one point talked to the codex author who stated (yes, to me, in person) that Deffrollas couldn't Ram, only tank shock. But that's all water under the bridge due to the FAQ that changed the authors stated intent.

Anyways, another point to bring out. I see people mentioning ramming through destroyed vehicles. Just thought it should be mentioned that the ramming vehicle only continues if the result is an Exploded vehicle. If it is a wreck, the ramming vehicle stops and goes no further.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:

Jidmah wrote:The rolla never "work", i.e. does damage to anything. A vehicle upgraded with a deff rolla simply improves the effect of its tank shock. If you tank shock or ram anything, the tank shock or ram is causing the S10 hits, not the deff rolla(like a shooting weapon would). Dodge states the ram does no damage, which does not exclude any additional damage the ram would cause due to upgrades.

correct. but if you did not ram a skimmer due to a dodge then you did just that Not Ram a skimmer. to claim the deff rolla still makes its hit is absurd. as much as i would like to ram some CCBs or falcons and what not jsut is not viable.

Actually, where does it say this?
Deffrolla on pg 55 says, "Any tank shock made by a battlewagon with rolla causes d6 S10 hits on the victim unit." It does not say any successful tankshock, it just says ANY tank shock.

terranarc wrote:

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:

Jidmah wrote:The rolla never "work", i.e. does damage to anything. A vehicle upgraded with a deff rolla simply improves the effect of its tank shock. If you tank shock or ram anything, the tank shock or ram is causing the S10 hits, not the deff rolla(like a shooting weapon would). Dodge states the ram does no damage, which does not exclude any additional damage the ram would cause due to upgrades.

correct. but if you did not ram a skimmer due to a dodge then you did just that Not Ram a skimmer. to claim the deff rolla still makes its hit is absurd. as much as i would like to ram some CCBs or falcons and what not jsut is not viable.

Actually, where does it say this?
Deffrolla on pg 55 says, "Any tank shock made by a battlewagon with rolla causes d6 S10 hits on the victim unit." It does not say any successful tankshock, it just says ANY tank shock.

It says it in the Skimmer dodge rules P. 71

Basically it says if the skimmer dodges then neither vehicle suffers any damage.

So in the Ork FAQ the deff-rolla-wagon says: "Any Tank Shock or ram causes D6 Strenght 10" and for what I read those who succesfully stops the deff-rolla-wagon Tank shock (Death or Glory) receives 2D6 Strenght 10 hits.

In other words, those troops who attempt to stop the wagon (Tank Shock), let it go. Its going to be painful for them.

Even if they fail to stop the wagon, they still get the extra D6 hits.

I was once playing 5th edition with a Tyranid player and I was going to do tank shock a unit he controls. He told me it wont work because his unit is fearless and he just moves aside the wagon and nothing happened.

He'd still take the D6 S10 hits.

now... For anyone considering 6ed.

The skimmer gets to make it's jink save. 5+ or 4+ if flat out.

Note how now, it gets the save from the Ram. (This no longer prevents the deff rolla from smackin it!)

probably still gets the save from the DR but man! Orks just got a boost.

Yes, it now has to take a separate save for each glancing/penetrating hit done by the ram, including those added by the deff rolla vehicle upgrade.