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http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/orks-vs-blood-angels-reverse-batrep-part-35
In this video about a minute and a half or so maybe less in he uses his deff rolla to ram a land raider. He goes...I guess the best word is through the death company but he doesn't hit the majority of the squad so I guess my question is this.
If I ram the land raider but the squad is actually in the way do they both take the deff rollas hits or only where my movement stops, and does it matter how many of the squad (death company in this case) are in the the actual path if they do take the str 10 hits.

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Everyone who gets tank shocked or rammed takes the hits.


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pretre wrote:Everyone who gets tank shocked or rammed takes the hits.


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lol well everyone taking the hits makes sense and I am dealing with orks...so I thought I would ask to make sure.



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The correct way to resolve it is:

The battlewagon moves forward till it touches the death company (at which point they are being tank shocked)

They choose to either get out of the way or try to death or glory and also suffer the D6 S10 hits

If they failed to destroy or immobilize the Battlewagon with a death or glory, or simply chose to let it pass, it continues through until it touches the Land Raider.

Resolve Ram damage on both vehicles

The Land Raider additionally suffers D6 S10 hits for having been rammed by a vehicle with a Deff Rolla.

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You have all that right except that the DC take the D6 S10 hits even if they move out of the way, and take ANOTHER d6 S10 hits if they choose to DoG. Deffrollas are awesome.

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mind you if your tank shocking you must Declare distance prior to moving.

for the ram you Must travel as fast as possible which if there is anyone in front of you they get Tank shocked of course

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Well, in my last game I hit 4 units a razorback 2 LF squads and BC and the rhino was the actual charge target so I got to hit them all. I just wanted to make sure we were doing it right and that him just letting those DC slide like that was against the rules.



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Gharron wrote:Well, in my last game I hit 4 units a razorback 2 LF squads and BC and the rhino was the actual charge target so I got to hit them all. I just wanted to make sure we were doing it right and that him just letting those DC slide like that was against the rules.


Remember with Ramming vehicles you *cannot* carry on moving *unless* you destroy the vehicle in your way. If you fail to destroy it you stop.
   
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:mind you if your tank shocking you must Declare distance prior to moving.

for the ram you Must travel as fast as possible which if there is anyone in front of you they get Tank shocked of course


I don't think the last sentence is 100% correct. I think you have to move atleast cruising speed to be able to tank shock, I don't think you have to move as fast as possible.

I do have my own question on tank shock though. This came up in a game I was playing yesterday. I attempted to tank shock a skimmer and ofcourse he gets his +4 dodge attempt. Do I auto do the d6 str 10 hits and he can attempt to only dodge the tank shock itself, or if he dodges he can get out of the way of the d6 and the tank shock hit?
   
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Yes as stated before. Declare how far you will travel and the direction. When the battle wagon gets to target one if it is the death company they take D6 Str 10 hits no matter what. If they death or glory they take another D6 ( you would roll both D6s together) if their attack fails to stop the battle wagon it moves forward to its next target the land raider. Now when the deff rolla hits a tank you do the D6 Str 10 hits first before the ram imPact damage. I the land raider is destroyed then the battle wagon moves on if you have not moved the full distance.

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1) You have to move at least 0.1" to tank shock, which is combat speed. Clearly writen in the tank shock rules
2) When a skimmer dodges then "no daamage is done" - some take this to mean "from the ram", others mean "no part of the ram or secondary effects can cause damage"

If i ever ran Orks i would use the latter, as it gives me the least advantage.
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:1) You have to move at least 0.1" to tank shock, which is combat speed. Clearly writen in the tank shock rules
2) When a skimmer dodges then "no daamage is done" - some take this to mean "from the ram", others mean "no part of the ram or secondary effects can cause damage"

If i ever ran Orks i would use the latter, as it gives me the least advantage.



While I want to agree every player with a skimmer will fight you cause the dodge says if the save is passed you stay 1 inch away and to use the deff roll you need to be in contact.

   
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As I said, *I* do not agree with it stilla ffecting a skimmer that has dodged, and so if i ever played Orks then i wouldnt press for the damage

It does not require base contact, unless there is an errata - just that you tank shock a unit.
   
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It actually says no damage is done by the ram, and the deff rolla causes the ram to do more damage.

I really see no reason why a dodging skimmer should be hit by a deff rolla.

Unless you are using the German BRB, the wording is slightly different, only preventing damage by the actual ram.

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Ailideon wrote:
THE_GODLYNESS wrote:mind you if your tank shocking you must Declare distance prior to moving.

for the ram you Must travel as fast as possible which if there is anyone in front of you they get Tank shocked of course


I don't think the last sentence is 100% correct. I think you have to move atleast cruising speed to be able to tank shock, I don't think you have to move as fast as possible.

I do have my own question on tank shock though. This came up in a game I was playing yesterday. I attempted to tank shock a skimmer and ofcourse he gets his +4 dodge attempt. Do I auto do the d6 str 10 hits and he can attempt to only dodge the tank shock itself, or if he dodges he can get out of the way of the d6 and the tank shock hit?


Read Ramming in the BRB pg? (not handy) for tank shock you declare for ramming you travel as fast as possible.

and if a skimmer dodges i dont see how the deff rolla hit it considering it did not ram the vehicle which is a prerequisite for the rolla to work.

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The rolla never "work", i.e. does damage to anything. A vehicle upgraded with a deff rolla simply improves the effect of its tank shock. If you tank shock or ram anything, the tank shock or ram is causing the S10 hits, not the deff rolla(like a shooting weapon would). Dodge states the ram does no damage, which does not exclude any additional damage the ram would cause due to upgrades.

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Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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Jidmah wrote:The rolla never "work", i.e. does damage to anything. A vehicle upgraded with a deff rolla simply improves the effect of its tank shock. If you tank shock or ram anything, the tank shock or ram is causing the S10 hits, not the deff rolla(like a shooting weapon would). Dodge states the ram does no damage, which does not exclude any additional damage the ram would cause due to upgrades.


correct. but if you did not ram a skimmer due to a dodge then you did just that Not Ram a skimmer. to claim the deff rolla still makes its hit is absurd. as much as i would like to ram some CCBs or falcons and what not jsut is not viable.

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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.

 
   
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And, again, a deff rolla can never, ever, under any cicumstances, make any hits. The tank shock itself is doing the hits, to any unit it affects.

The skimmer is affected by a tank shock (otherwise it would never have dodged), so the S10 hits would work against it, but the rule goes on telling you that neither vehicle takes any damage. "Any damage" includes any amount of S10 hits you roll.

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Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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I am missing something. We both agree that the deff rolla does nothing to a dodging skinner. Paths might be different out come is the same. But I swear it days the deff rolla is what causes the d6 hits. Regardless we both agree.

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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.

 
   
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Now I'm confused, there's no way ever to do damage to a skimmer? I thought they had to make a 4+ dodge?



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Gharron wrote:Now I'm confused, there's no way ever to do damage to a skimmer? I thought they had to make a 4+ dodge?
No you can always cause damage when you sucessfully ram a skimmer(i.e. said skimmer does not make the save roll).

What they are discussing is whether the Deff rolla damages a dodged skimmer or not.

Since the Skimmer dodge rule has the entire ram stopped in it's tracks and fails the Ram altogether, you can never damage a dodged skimmer with the deffrolla.

If someone wants to claim that you can deff-rolla damage a dodged skimmer then start making them take damage rolls as you declare rams against vehicles >12"(>13" for RPJ) away even though no ram can possibly hit those models(same concept as the Skimmer dodging, the ram movement has ended before the battlewagon ever reached target vehicle).

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Gharron wrote:Now I'm confused, there's no way ever to do damage to a skimmer? I thought they had to make a 4+ dodge?


It's a 3+

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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:
Gharron wrote:Now I'm confused, there's no way ever to do damage to a skimmer? I thought they had to make a 4+ dodge?


It's a 3+

Ah, see someone wrote 4+ in the thread already. I've never played against a skimmer so I didn't know..that's kinda cool they can dodge though. Freakin makes necrons a pain...



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Man, I'm trying to figure out how to best fill out this freakin battlewagon list XD after hearing these rollas do mass damage (like I hoped they would) I'm gonna have to do some thinkin =D



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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:I am missing something. We both agree that the deff rolla does nothing to a dodging skinner. Paths might be different out come is the same. But I swear it days the deff rolla is what causes the d6 hits. Regardless we both agree.


The path is important. If the deff rolla would do damage by itself, like the wrecking ball, you would be unable to dodge it. Because in that case, the deff rolla damage would not be part of the ram.

Since it doesn't do damage by itself, but simply enhances the ram with more damage, skimmers are able to dodge the enhanced ram.

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Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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Ok,people is a DR Ap - (and such,gives -1 in damage table)
   
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ElBanshee wrote:Ok,people is a DR Ap - (and such,gives -1 in damage table)

Deff rollas are on Page 55 of the Ork Codex.

It will tell you what AP it is. If it does not list an AP, then it does not have an AP.

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DeathReaper wrote:
ElBanshee wrote:Ok,people is a DR Ap - (and such,gives -1 in damage table)

Deff rollas are on Page 55 of the Ork Codex.

It will tell you what AP it is. If it does not list an AP, then it does not have an AP.


Which does not mean ap- correct me if I am wrong but no ap =\= ap- clarifying and all.


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