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Because that would be smart and the various species of the 40k galaxy have a tendency to make very poor choices.

Kain wrote:Chaos has unmanned units of sorts in Daemon Engines, but most of them relish combat far too much to just rely completely on them for fighting.

Nurgle goons get blight drones. is it considered UAV?

Lone Cat wrote:

Kain wrote:Chaos has unmanned units of sorts in Daemon Engines, but most of them relish combat far too much to just rely completely on them for fighting.

Nurgle goons get blight drones. is it considered UAV?

Yes, BUT Plague Marines still like to fight. So they don't use crap tons of them to fight in their stead, instead they fight in support of the core of marines.

Lone Cat wrote:

Kain wrote:Chaos has unmanned units of sorts in Daemon Engines, but most of them relish combat far too much to just rely completely on them for fighting.

Nurgle goons get blight drones. is it considered UAV?

No. Absolutely not at all.

The various Daemonic Engines are in fact "Manned" vehicles in that they are piloted by an intelligence housed directly within the vehicle.

Kanluwen wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:

Kain wrote:Chaos has unmanned units of sorts in Daemon Engines, but most of them relish combat far too much to just rely completely on them for fighting.

Nurgle goons get blight drones. is it considered UAV?

No. Absolutely not at all.

The various Daemonic Engines are in fact "Manned" vehicles in that they are piloted by an intelligence housed directly within the vehicle.

They can be considered unmanned in a sense as there is no real risk of the daemonic inhabitant.

As previously pointed out, Tau Drones are UAVs. Case closed.
If there happen to be more that's super.

Depends are drones and UAVs interchangeable? I thoughts they were different at times with the UAV being remote while the drone could be considered either remote or AI based. But, that's just my own understanding probably.

The only prominant users of unmanned units period are the Crons and the Tau. Tau definitely use UAV's with their drones and one could debate that canoptek constructs such as spyders, wraiths, and scarabs are "aerial" (that would be a VERY loose definition of aerial) and a stronger argument that Tomb Blades are UAV's as the warrior "piloting" it is more for decor than anything being a mindless, slow automaton and the blade itself is programmed to pretty much do what is desired of it.

The Imperium's level of technology is very, very high. Not as high as some of the other factions, but certainly capable of very advanced drones, or very advanced AI. It is often the mistake of fans to equate stagnant technological progress with being backward. This isn't the case at all.

The Imperium's and humanity's "racial" memory precludes AI as an option. The trauma of the "IronMen" episode in human history has scarred the psyche of the human species and is considered repugnant.

However, dumb drones such as we have today might be considered acceptable. I think the servo skull falls into this category.

I agree with the servo skull fitting into the category. I guess the closest they'd get to actual UAVs is either the skulls or perhaps making a small drone with a servitor hard-wired into it. Even then still not unmanned.

Kain wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:

Kain wrote:Chaos has unmanned units of sorts in Daemon Engines, but most of them relish combat far too much to just rely completely on them for fighting.

Nurgle goons get blight drones. is it considered UAV?

No. Absolutely not at all.

The various Daemonic Engines are in fact "Manned" vehicles in that they are piloted by an intelligence housed directly within the vehicle.

They can be considered unmanned in a sense as there is no real risk of the daemonic inhabitant.

Incorrect.

If a Daemonic Engine is assaulted (fluffwise, that is) by an individual who knows the Rites of Exorcism(An Inquisitor of the Ordo Malleus or a member of the Grey Knights, for example...)--that Daemon can in fact be destroyed/banished.

n0t_u wrote:Depends are drones and UAVs interchangeable? I thoughts they were different at times with the UAV being remote while the drone could be considered either remote or AI based. But, that's just my own understanding probably.

Yes. Drones and UAVs are pretty much interchangeable. There are different "types" of drones/UAVs, but at this point they are remote controlled with limited programming routines that allow them to function if communication/control is lost. It's mainly things like reorienting them to return to the launch point though.

Kanluwen wrote:

Kain wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:

Kain wrote:Chaos has unmanned units of sorts in Daemon Engines, but most of them relish combat far too much to just rely completely on them for fighting.

Nurgle goons get blight drones. is it considered UAV?

No. Absolutely not at all.

The various Daemonic Engines are in fact "Manned" vehicles in that they are piloted by an intelligence housed directly within the vehicle.

They can be considered unmanned in a sense as there is no real risk of the daemonic inhabitant.

Incorrect.

If a Daemonic Engine is assaulted (fluffwise, that is) by an individual who knows the Rites of Exorcism(An Inquisitor of the Ordo Malleus or a member of the Grey Knights, for example...)--that Daemon can in fact be destroyed/banished.

n0t_u wrote:Depends are drones and UAVs interchangeable? I thoughts they were different at times with the UAV being remote while the drone could be considered either remote or AI based. But, that's just my own understanding probably.

Yes. Drones and UAVs are pretty much interchangeable. There are different "types" of drones/UAVs, but at this point they are remote controlled with limited programming routines that allow them to function if communication/control is lost. It's mainly things like reorienting them to return to the launch point though.

It takes quite a lot to permanently destroy a daemon. Being banished back into the warp is more annoying than seriously threatening to most Daemons.

Then I'd have to agree that the Blight drone technically isn't a UAV then. Perhaps the classifications will change whenever it is we end up with drones with sentient AI to run it, but for now it's basically the same as having an actual pilot inside of it.

Kain wrote:
It takes quite a lot to permanently destroy a daemon. Being banished back into the warp is more annoying than seriously threatening to most Daemons.

Not nearly as much as you think. Things such as Force Weapons and consecrated weapons can do the trick quite nicely.

And it still doesn't negate the fact that being banished back into the Warp is a "risk" to the operator, aka the Daemon. Nor does it negate the fact that it's not something like putting someone in a penalty box for a short period of time. It sends them back for decades at the very least.

Kanluwen wrote:

Kain wrote:
It takes quite a lot to permanently destroy a daemon. Being banished back into the warp is more annoying than seriously threatening to most Daemons.

Not nearly as much as you think. Things such as Force Weapons and consecrated weapons can do the trick quite nicely.

And it still doesn't negate the fact that being banished back into the Warp is a "risk" to the operator, aka the Daemon. Nor does it negate the fact that it's not something like putting someone in a penalty box for a short period of time. It sends them back for decades at the very least.

Wait...force weapons permanently destroy daemons? This is news to me.

Uhlan wrote:The Imperium's level of technology is very, very high. Not as high as some of the other factions, but certainly capable of very advanced drones, or very advanced AI. It is often the mistake of fans to equate stagnant technological progress with being backward. This isn't the case at all.

The Imperium's and humanity's "racial" memory precludes AI as an option. The trauma of the "IronMen" episode in human history has scarred the psyche of the human species and is considered repugnant.

However, dumb drones such as we have today might be considered acceptable. I think the servo skull falls into this category.

This

Remember people, the Imperium DOES have a high level of technology, they are not stuck at WW2 level tech on the whole contrary to what people think.

and UAVs(something like the predator drone) are unmanned but are controlled by a person back at base

n0t_u wrote:Depends are drones and UAVs interchangeable? I thoughts they were different at times with the UAV being remote while the drone could be considered either remote or AI based. But, that's just my own understanding probably.

In most cases drone and UAV are interchangeable (in aircraft), but your basic understanding is reversed.
All UAVs are drones, not all drones are UAVs.
drones are remotely piloted, but generally lack automation
UAVs are typically remotely piloted but contain a large amount of automation including autonomous flight. To my knowledge no contemporary UAVs use AI of any kind.
It does not help that the US Air Force and now others are referring to UAVs as RPAs or Remotely Piloted Aircraft, which is a less descriptive designation not more; the RPAs used by the AF are some of the most automated in use.

Kanluwen wrote:

Kain wrote:
It takes quite a lot to permanently destroy a daemon. Being banished back into the warp is more annoying than seriously threatening to most Daemons.

Not nearly as much as you think. Things such as Force Weapons and consecrated weapons can do the trick quite nicely.

And it still doesn't negate the fact that being banished back into the Warp is a "risk" to the operator, aka the Daemon. Nor does it negate the fact that it's not something like putting someone in a penalty box for a short period of time. It sends them back for decades at the very least.

No, they banish daemons, they don't kill them. A big point is made in the GK codex about how they can't KILL daemons most of the time, only banish them. That is why they value the Tesseract Labyrinths so much, because permanently banishing them is one of the only ways to actually remove them as threats. If force weapons and consecrated weapons were sufficient to kill daemons it wouldn't be an issue, the GK have PLENTY of those lying around. But they make a big point of it, even the Grey Knights, as a general rule, cannot kill daemons; only banish them.

riplikash wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Kain wrote:
It takes quite a lot to permanently destroy a daemon. Being banished back into the warp is more annoying than seriously threatening to most Daemons.

Not nearly as much as you think. Things such as Force Weapons and consecrated weapons can do the trick quite nicely.

And it still doesn't negate the fact that being banished back into the Warp is a "risk" to the operator, aka the Daemon. Nor does it negate the fact that it's not something like putting someone in a penalty box for a short period of time. It sends them back for decades at the very least.

No, they banish daemons, they don't kill them. A big point is made in the GK codex about how they can't KILL daemons most of the time, only banish them. That is why they value the Tesseract Labyrinths so much, because permanently banishing them is one of the only ways to actually remove them as threats. If force weapons and consecrated weapons were sufficient to kill daemons it wouldn't be an issue, the GK have PLENTY of those lying around. But they make a big point of it, even the Grey Knights, as a general rule, cannot kill daemons; only banish them.

Negative.

The "Big Daemons" are those which can primarily only be banished. Things like Bloodthirsters, Lords of Change, etc can pretty much only be banished.

The "Lesser" Daemons, those which are usually bound within Daemonic engines can in fact be killed through exorcisms and with force weapons.
The simple problem is that they are expendable. For every Lesser Daemon killed, two more are formed by the Ruinous Power that birthed them.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

Uhlan wrote:The Imperium's level of technology is very, very high. Not as high as some of the other factions, but certainly capable of very advanced drones, or very advanced AI. It is often the mistake of fans to equate stagnant technological progress with being backward. This isn't the case at all.

The Imperium's and humanity's "racial" memory precludes AI as an option. The trauma of the "IronMen" episode in human history has scarred the psyche of the human species and is considered repugnant.

However, dumb drones such as we have today might be considered acceptable. I think the servo skull falls into this category.

This

Remember people, the Imperium DOES have a high level of technology, they are not stuck at WW2 level tech on the whole contrary to what people think.

It isn't that we think they have low-level technology, it's that their tech is wrapped up in stupid and completely ass-backwards religious garbage and superstition that has only hampered the IoM for the last 10,000 years. They (mostly) refuse to change any designs from the STCs, even though the designs are outdated and inefficient. The term "Metal Boxes" quite aptly describes the vast majority of all IoM vehicles and the exact problems with them all.

If the IoM tried to do UAVs, they'd probably hardwire a servitor to a ground control base and make the UAV the single most distinguishable object in the sky. Hell, they'd probably paint it pink if the techmarine/techpriest/other dude in charge thought the Omnissiah wanted it that way.

What about the Mechanicum's Legio Cybernetica? I thought they were automated to a degree, if not entirely, by machine spirits, which are essentially AI without being AI. I always believed it to be a bit of a joke, the fact that the IoM has a massive hatred of AI, but they have 'spirits' (which naturally occur in vehicles when certain gubbins are placed inside) that do the exact same thing, and thats fine.

But yes, Legio Cybernetica, I don't think that's been retconned yet, or has it?

The Legio Cybernetica still exists in the lore.

As mentioned the tau have drones. Im sure they have other unmanned fighter vehicles not mentioned in the fluff.

The imperium have unmanned vehicles in the form of rudimentary partly cyborg robots. However as this technology is so rare and expensive and life is far, far cheaper by imperial standards they are rarely used. (Remote controlled is NOT he same as any form of AI, I dont think the imperium would have too much trouble using this tech.)

With eldar im sure its a case of honour, the whole "warrior path" thing (they seem very "traditional" in terms of warfare). Who wants a clumsy, imperfect machine fighting for your very survival when the spirits of the dead and living warriors do a far better job and have done so for mellenia? (this could also ring true of humanity as well)

hotsauceman1 wrote:So why is it that no race has mastered the idea of vehicles that are remote controlled save lives?
Surely the eldar and tau would make use of this technology?
I can understand that imperium but why no one else?

UAV's can be hacked by a kid with a laptop and WiFi. Do you want an unmanned Thunderhawk hacked by a kid with a laptop and WiFi?

zeshin wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:So why is it that no race has mastered the idea of vehicles that are remote controlled save lives?
Surely the eldar and tau would make use of this technology?
I can understand that imperium but why no one else?

UAV's can be hacked by a kid with a laptop and WiFi. Do you want an unmanned Thunderhawk hacked by a kid with a laptop and WiFi?

I'll just leave this here.

AustonT wrote:

zeshin wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:So why is it that no race has mastered the idea of vehicles that are remote controlled save lives?
Surely the eldar and tau would make use of this technology?
I can understand that imperium but why no one else?

UAV's can be hacked by a kid with a laptop and WiFi. Do you want an unmanned Thunderhawk hacked by a kid with a laptop and WiFi?

I'll just leave this here.

While the "kid with a laptop and WiFi" statement might sound like a bit of hyperbole, the UAV loss that occured last year over Iran is thought in some circles to have been "hijacked" using this method despite the government issuing a statement about a simple malfunction.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this is a very possible scenario. While not quite the same thing and an order of magnitude apart, anyone who plays with RC vehicles of any kind understands the basic premise.

True AI would mitigate this kind of hijacking to a large degree.

And those circles are consisted of individuals wearing tinfoil hats.

The only people who really believe that Iran was capable of "hijacking" that UAV is Iran. It was a simple malfunction, otherwise Iran would have been hijacking our drones for years now.

Kanluwen wrote:And those circles are consisted of individuals wearing tinfoil hats.

The only people who really believe that Iran was capable of "hijacking" that UAV is Iran. It was a simple malfunction, otherwise Iran would have been hijacking our drones for years now.

Maybe they have 0.o

Maybe we haven't been using drones to spy on them before, why else would a new stealth version fly over Iran, did the older ones get shot down?

Why would the Imperium would waste precious metal on a UAV when a man is far, far, cheaper!