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Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

dæl wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:

curran12 wrote:Well, the loud atheists whine and play victim in the same tone of the nonsense that loud religious people do. All the same stuff.

Bang on!

Religious fanatics preach their belief that their god is the true god.

Atheist fanatics preach their belief that there is no god.

Both groups are ignorant, enjoy.

Evangelicals of every type are idiots. The difference between faith based ones and non faith based ones is that faith based ones often cause more suffering as they make people live by illogical and outdated codes of conduct. But still, evangelicals are idiots, and "live and let live" should be the order of the day.

I agree with that. I still take a problem with the really hard core religions people because they want to impose ridiculous and oppressive laws, but that's probably them not respecting "live and let live."

As opposed to really hard core atheists who want to impose ridiculous and oppressive laws?

Testify wrote:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

dæl wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:

curran12 wrote:Well, the loud atheists whine and play victim in the same tone of the nonsense that loud religious people do. All the same stuff.

Bang on!

Religious fanatics preach their belief that their god is the true god.

Atheist fanatics preach their belief that there is no god.

Both groups are ignorant, enjoy.

Evangelicals of every type are idiots. The difference between faith based ones and non faith based ones is that faith based ones often cause more suffering as they make people live by illogical and outdated codes of conduct. But still, evangelicals are idiots, and "live and let live" should be the order of the day.

I agree with that. I still take a problem with the really hard core religions people because they want to impose ridiculous and oppressive laws, but that's probably them not respecting "live and let live."

As opposed to really hard core atheists who want to impose ridiculous and oppressive laws?

It's toward the "Evil Religion", so it's ok.

*Sarcasm Meter Explodes*

daedalus wrote:*Flexes fingers*

...Nah. Not worth it. I swear we just had this thread, like, a month ago.

I should have been there, because I was thinking about the issue then. Oh well. It's probably better to start a new discussion since anytime you bring up an old one, 30 people comment on the fact that you're bringing up an old discussion.

Testify wrote:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

dæl wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:

curran12 wrote:Well, the loud atheists whine and play victim in the same tone of the nonsense that loud religious people do. All the same stuff.

Bang on!

Religious fanatics preach their belief that their god is the true god.

Atheist fanatics preach their belief that there is no god.

Both groups are ignorant, enjoy.

Evangelicals of every type are idiots. The difference between faith based ones and non faith based ones is that faith based ones often cause more suffering as they make people live by illogical and outdated codes of conduct. But still, evangelicals are idiots, and "live and let live" should be the order of the day.

I agree with that. I still take a problem with the really hard core religions people because they want to impose ridiculous and oppressive laws, but that's probably them not respecting "live and let live."

As opposed to really hard core atheists who want to impose ridiculous and oppressive laws?

But are they wanting to impose those ridiculous and oppressive laws because they're atheists and believe that that's what their god... er... uh, what their.. uh, nothing wants them to do, or is it because they're donkey-caves who like ridiculous and oppressive laws?


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Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I should have been there, because I was thinking about the issue then. Oh well. It's probably better to start a new discussion since anytime you bring up an old one, 30 people comment on the fact that you're bringing up an old discussion.

Valid point.

Testify wrote:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

dæl wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:

curran12 wrote:Well, the loud atheists whine and play victim in the same tone of the nonsense that loud religious people do. All the same stuff.

Bang on!

Religious fanatics preach their belief that their god is the true god.

Atheist fanatics preach their belief that there is no god.

Both groups are ignorant, enjoy.

Evangelicals of every type are idiots. The difference between faith based ones and non faith based ones is that faith based ones often cause more suffering as they make people live by illogical and outdated codes of conduct. But still, evangelicals are idiots, and "live and let live" should be the order of the day.

I agree with that. I still take a problem with the really hard core religions people because they want to impose ridiculous and oppressive laws, but that's probably them not respecting "live and let live."

As opposed to really hard core atheists who want to impose ridiculous and oppressive laws?

What oppressive laws are atheists trying to pass?

Atheism isn't the lack of religion, it's the lack of a god. Having a god is not compulsory for a religion.

Chowderhead wrote:

streamdragon wrote:This will end well.*popcorn*

I think I might have to steal some.

Want a coke?

(pulls out a flask) why yes, that will do nicely.

daedalus wrote:

But are they wanting to impose those ridiculous and oppressive laws because they're atheists and believe that that's what their god... er... uh, what their.. uh, nothing wants them to do, or is it because they're donkey-caves who like ridiculous and oppressive laws?

So if I do something evil because I think god has told me too...that's worse than me just doing something evil?

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
What oppressive laws are atheists trying to pass?

None, at the moment.
Feel free to google "Stalin" if you want an example of an evil atheist.
Presumably he'd have been even worse if he was doing it in the name of a false god?

Also google Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung. Kim Il Sung is pretty good there too.

Frazzled wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

streamdragon wrote:This will end well.*popcorn*

I think I might have to steal some.

Want a coke?

(pulls out a flask) why yes, that will do nicely.

Cash bar back here guys.

Pardon me, but do you have any dark rum?

Testify wrote:

daedalus wrote:

But are they wanting to impose those ridiculous and oppressive laws because they're atheists and believe that that's what their god... er... uh, what their.. uh, nothing wants them to do, or is it because they're donkey-caves who like ridiculous and oppressive laws?

So if I do something evil because I think god has told me too...that's worse than me just doing something evil?

No, the individual is still evil, either way. The difference is that if it's legitimately in the teachings of the religion and the one committing the evil is truly doing it in his god's name, then it's a pretty solid case against the religion.

You can't claim that someone's atheistic teachings are what lead them to do something, because there is no such thing.

Crap. I got involved.

Frazzled wrote:Pardon me, but do you have any dark rum?

For the right prize, I can get you anything.

Any...thing...

Its not a religion, christians just like saying it is because if they can convince enough people of it, they can try and remove the teaching of evolution from schools by claiming its a religion.

Just because atheists keep pointing out that you can't put your holy symbols on public grounds does not mean they are preaching no god. they are pointing out that you are breaking the law again.

Religious people keep trying to push their beliefs into law based only on their bible, Because they can not for some reason live and let live. Telling them they're bible does not in any way mean anything to me seems to annoy them. Why can't religious people just follow their own religious laws without it being pushed into secular laws? surely if they won't even listen to god, they won't listen to the cops either.

all atheism is at the core of it is: It is a lack of belief in gods.

I do not accept your god without any proof, please prove he exists or keep your religion to yourself, and out of public schools, and out of public buildings, as ruled by the supreme court.

Evolution is a provable, testable, repeatable theory that explains how life evolves. Evangelists are fond of saying well what do biologists know about god, if you want to learn about god, ask them. but the same is more true on the other foot. learn about evolution from a biologists, not from an evangelists. Hell get a bunch of christians to fund your own research and test the claims made from evolution. because after 150 years the theory still stands because of all the evidence supporting it and all new evidence found strengthens it. Despite the word games evangelists like to play they don't have a shred of proof for their creation story, nor any evidence to refute evolution.

But evolution has nothing to do with atheism. evolution is a theory of how life evolves. atheism is a lack of belief in god.

daedalus wrote:

Testify wrote:

daedalus wrote:

But are they wanting to impose those ridiculous and oppressive laws because they're atheists and believe that that's what their god... er... uh, what their.. uh, nothing wants them to do, or is it because they're donkey-caves who like ridiculous and oppressive laws?

So if I do something evil because I think god has told me too...that's worse than me just doing something evil?

No, the individual is still evil, either way. The difference is that if it's legitimately in the teachings of the religion and the one committing the evil is truly doing it in his god's name, then it's a pretty solid case against the religion.

You can't claim that someone's atheistic teachings are what lead them to do something, because there is no such thing.

Crap. I got involved.

Right. So when a government soldier puts a bullet through the back of my wife's head, I'm supposed to care whether or not he's doing it because of his leaders' following of church doctrine, or out of sheer spite?
Religion is an output of human expression. Modernity has not changed this.
Now, he's some Dubliners:

*wanders in*

Hey guys whats going on in here?

*Sees people rehashing the same arguments and reasons that were made a month ago and the month before that and the month before that...*

/sigh

*Sees d-usa, steamdragon, and Frazzled sitting at the bar in the back nibbling on some popcorn and commenting on daedalus's new avatar*

Hot damn now were on to something.

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Pardon me, but do you have any dark rum?

For the right prize, I can get you anything.

Any...thing...

Oh, whats that TBone? Ah yes, Tbone asks if you have any delicious bacon?

It all comes down to how do you define "religion".

If you define religion as "which God, god, or gods do you believe exist", then atheism isn't a religion. Of course, that also means that Buddhism, Taoism, Wicca, and countless "pagan" belief systems aren't religions either. (Depending on the sect, of course. Some sects of these beliefs do have a deity figure.)

If you define religion as "how do you define humanity's connection with the universe", then atheism is absolutely a religion.


But, really, this is all just semantics and doesn't really matter.



And, with that said, I'm going to go join the bar crowd. One White Russian please (it's still before noon, too early for the hard stuff).

Frazzled wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Pardon me, but do you have any dark rum?

For the right prize, I can get you anything.

Any...thing...

Oh, whats that TBone? Ah yes, Tbone asks if you have any delicious bacon.

I have some bacon popcorn if T-Bone wants it.

Frazzled wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Pardon me, but do you have any dark rum?

For the right prize, I can get you anything.

Any...thing...

Oh, whats that TBone? Ah yes, Tbone asks if you have any delicious bacon.

I will even liquor up your dogs, no questions asked and no judging (didn't bring my hotplate for bacon though...)



I'm going to have some trusty Red Bull and Jaegermeister for this.

Testify wrote:
Right. So when a government soldier puts a bullet through the back of my wife's head, I'm supposed to care whether or not he's doing it because of his leaders' following of church doctrine, or out of sheer spite?
Religion is an output of human expression. Modernity has not changed this.

Then I suppose the moral is that donkey-caves are donkey-caves, regardless of their motives, and trying to further analyze it is just sophistic wankery.

Now, he's some Dubliners:

I'll be in the bar, and now listening to Irish music the remainder of the day, thankyouverymuch.







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d-usa wrote:

That's hilarious. My dog LOVES beer, but he won't touch hard alcohol, no matter how well disguised it is.

I won't lie, I have had an equal amount of loud religious and loud atheist fanatics yell at me about my beliefs.

I have actually met more Atheists against Abortion then I have met religious people against Abortion

Testify wrote:The replies in this thread are telling.
Athiests are better than other people, therefore they don't have a religion

Well, I can't speak for nonbelievers as a whole, but for myself, I don't think people who do believe are dumber or more gullible then me. Since I don't have faith, I think that might also somewhat circumvent my ability to understand it, so who am I to make judgements about that? If it brings you some comfort or balance or what have you, then good for you. I think militant atheists are just as bad (maybe worse!) then religious zealots.

Atheists judging 'religious folks' for being wacky fundamentalists.

Religious folks judging Atheists for being amoral bastards.

Let's all not judge a book by its cover, here is a video of people defying stereotypes:




Now there is still lots of room at the bar.

speaking of evolution, here's a good ted talks that came out a few days ago.

will you still deny evolution if your grand kids are a different species?

who said bar? I'd bring some crown royal, but its cheaper to get down there. go figure.

dæl wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:

curran12 wrote:Well, the loud atheists whine and play victim in the same tone of the nonsense that loud religious people do. All the same stuff.

Bang on!

Religious fanatics preach their belief that their god is the true god.

Atheist fanatics preach their belief that there is no god.

Both groups are ignorant, enjoy.

Evangelicals of every type are idiots. The difference between faith based ones and non faith based ones is that faith based ones often cause more suffering as they make people live by illogical and outdated codes of conduct. But still, evangelicals are idiots, and "live and let live" should be the order of the day.

As an Evangelical Christian, I take offense here. I have never even stated my religious beliefs here before, while you sir have at every opportunity mentioned your atheism. Please do not paint with such a broad brush.

Chowderhead wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Pardon me, but do you have any dark rum?

For the right prize, I can get you anything.

Any...thing...

Oh, whats that TBone? Ah yes, Tbone asks if you have any delicious bacon.

I have some bacon popcorn if T-Bone wants it.

TBone approves of this concoction. Rodney says he's ok with a nice margarita as well, especially if dipped in sugar.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:I remember people here were claiming that.

It's like claiming that being dead is a lifestyle.

It doesn't make any sense.

It makes their ridiculous gak sound better.

Simple answer really.

Some people seem to have a 'religion filter' that seems to require everyone to have a religion and can't undertsnad people who simply don't have/need one.

They then classify atheism/agnosticism as a religion (despite not fitting the criteria) so that all is right with the world.

Some people just can't seem to undertand that at most atheism is a philosophy and that it is definately not a religion.

This type of thread will never, ever amount to anything other than circular bickering along predefined linesl. You may as well make one titled Conservatives, what a bunch of muppets.

Everybody judges everybody

/end thread