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helgrenze wrote:I suppose that these same people missed the fact that popcorn is probably the only "whole grain" food that most people willingly eat.

Popcorn is also not exactly unhealthy. It's the metric-ton of butter and the bucket-load of salt that gives it the bad rep. (aka, the stuff that makes it delicious )

Every state will always be a 'nanny' state, the entire point of a government is to regulate society

Thats certainly one view and one espoused by the Nannites.

and to be honest this needs to be the case.

No, it doesn't. Regulation of certain items to promote clarity, uniformity, equality of knowledge, and to a certain extent the public health (and the public defense which is the biggie) yes. But overarching regulation of society ? NO ing WAY.

Unless of course people think that a utopian society is possible (human psychology rather goes against this though) or they want to live in tiny little autocracies (quite possibly in a mud hut).

Vs. larger autocracies where people who think they know best tell me what to do.

In this particular case I support heavily taxing unhealthy foods,

Define unhealthy. Note oxygen and H20 can be unhealthy. Of course you die without them.

the current situation is basically untenable

Why?

and the majority of western society will soon resemble the crew of that ship in WALL-E

And?

and that is largely due to the sheer cheapness of high calorie foods. Ramp up the price and the problem will correct itself as education on goes so far.

Thats the ticket. lets make food cost more. But what about the poor?

Frazzled wrote:

and that is largely due to the sheer cheapness of high calorie foods. Ramp up the price and the problem will correct itself as education on goes so far.

Thats the ticket. lets make food cost more. But what about the poor?

Yeah, ramping up the price of high calorie foods will not really do anything. Part of the problem is that if you are poor, high calorie foods are often the few foods that you can afford because they are so cheap. So if people don't eat healthy because they cannot afford it, then how does pricing them out of food altogether help?

helgrenze wrote:I suppose that these same people missed the fact that popcorn is probably the only "whole grain" food that most people willingly eat.

which is sad, because frankly, whole grain bread tastes better anyway.


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Frazzled wrote:Thats certainly one view and one espoused by the Nannites.

I'm fairly certain that nano machines don't espouse any particular views at this time.

Jokes aside, conservatives push for nanny governments just as much as liberals. Just in different ways.

Frazzled wrote:
Thats the ticket. lets make food cost more. But what about the poor?

In a post rammed full of strawmen that one really stands out. Notice I said high calaorie foods, i.e. junk food. As it stands this type of food is cheaper than more nutritionally balanced foods; inverse that and then the problem of obesity will solve itself, its capitalism in action! As to why the current obesity time bomb is bad well I would have thought that having an average life expectency in the 50s would generally be considered a bad thing?

Palindrome wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Thats the ticket. lets make food cost more. But what about the poor?

In a post rammed full of strawmen that one really stands out. Notice I said high calaorie foods, i.e. junk food. As it stands this type of food is cheaper than more nutritionally balanced foods; inverse that and then the problem of obesity will solve itself, its capitalism in action! As to why the current obesity time bomb is bad well I would have thought that having an average life expectency in the 50s would generally be considered a bad thing?

Yeah we should totally solve the poor's obesity problem by giving them *back* their hunger problem. Hey you know what subsidized housing is a magnet for crime. Let's send them back to tar paper shanties under the overpass.

AustonT wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Thats the ticket. lets make food cost more. But what about the poor?

In a post rammed full of strawmen that one really stands out. Notice I said high calaorie foods, i.e. junk food. As it stands this type of food is cheaper than more nutritionally balanced foods; inverse that and then the problem of obesity will solve itself, its capitalism in action! As to why the current obesity time bomb is bad well I would have thought that having an average life expectency in the 50s would generally be considered a bad thing?

Yeah we should totally solve the poor's obesity problem by giving them *back* their hunger problem. Hey you know what subsidized housing is a magnet for crime. Let's send them back to tar paper shanties under the overpass.

Well, if you take away property then property crime should go down.

d-usa wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Thats the ticket. lets make food cost more. But what about the poor?

In a post rammed full of strawmen that one really stands out. Notice I said high calaorie foods, i.e. junk food. As it stands this type of food is cheaper than more nutritionally balanced foods; inverse that and then the problem of obesity will solve itself, its capitalism in action! As to why the current obesity time bomb is bad well I would have thought that having an average life expectency in the 50s would generally be considered a bad thing?

Yeah we should totally solve the poor's obesity problem by giving them *back* their hunger problem. Hey you know what subsidized housing is a magnet for crime. Let's send them back to tar paper shanties under the overpass.

Well, if you take away property then property crime should go down.

See problem solved. If they are starving they can't be fat, if they don't have property there can't be any property crime, and if they die of say starvation or exposure that lowers the homeless numbers. Bravo.

In a post rammed full of strawmen that one really stands out. Notice I said high calaorie foods, i.e. junk food.

Milk is high calorie. Apples are high calorie. Any fruits have lots of calories. Bread has lots of calories.
Popcorn has very few calories.

As it stands this type of food is cheaper than more nutritionally balanced foods;

Translation I would rather poor people starve.

As to why the current obesity time bomb is bad well I would have thought that having an average life expectency in the 50s would generally be considered a bad thing?

Why? Its their problem, not yours. Who appointed you grand poobah?

Frazzled wrote:

In a post rammed full of strawmen that one really stands out. Notice I said high calaorie foods, i.e. junk food.

Milk is high calorie. Apples are high calorie. Any fruits have lots of calories. Bread has lots of calories.
Popcorn has very few calories.

Put Popcorn is salty, so that makes it a gateway drug to soda!

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

In a post rammed full of strawmen that one really stands out. Notice I said high calaorie foods, i.e. junk food.

Milk is high calorie. Apples are high calorie. Any fruits have lots of calories. Bread has lots of calories.
Popcorn has very few calories.

Put Popcorn is salty, so that makes it a gateway drug to soda!

And beer!

Frazzled wrote:

Translation I would rather poor people starve.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or does it just come naturally?

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

In a post rammed full of strawmen that one really stands out. Notice I said high calaorie foods, i.e. junk food.

Milk is high calorie. Apples are high calorie. Any fruits have lots of calories. Bread has lots of calories.
Popcorn has very few calories.

Put Popcorn is salty, so that makes it a gateway drug to soda!

And sweet and sour pork!

Somebody needs to save us from ourselves!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/bacon-sundae-at-burger-king-is-real-needs-to-be-i

d-usa wrote:Somebody needs to save us from ourselves!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/bacon-sundae-at-burger-king-is-real-needs-to-be-i

God that looks delicious. Bacon and chocolate is a highly underrated combination, especially as a ice cream topping.

There is a cup-cake shop in town that does French Toast cup cakes with maple syrup icing topped of with bacon.

I have never been as happy while my arteries are closing off as I am when I eat one of those.

I think I just threw up a little looking at that barftastic cupcake ... thing.

Melissia wrote:I think I just threw up a little looking at that barftastic cupcake ... thing.

You don't eat a lot of cupcakes do you?

It's the bacon.

I like bacon mind you, but bacon and ice cream don't go well together...

Maybe if it was hot maple syrup...

Melissia wrote:It's the bacon.

I like bacon mind you, but bacon and ice cream don't go well together...

Maybe if it was hot maple syrup...

Have you had bacon and Ice cream, or chocolate? The sweet/salty thing really works.

Yes I have, and no it doesn't >.<

Mind you I'm one of those people who can't stand having nuts in my chocolate, but is okay with eating each thing separately.

As a slovenly liberal and former New Yorker (Upstate, not NYC), all I can say is this is stupid. WTF, New York?

Melissia wrote:Yes I have, and no it doesn't >.<

Mind you I'm one of those people who can't stand having nuts in my chocolate, but is okay with eating each thing separately.

Are you as bad as my sister-in-law?

She hates having any of her food touch. If the vegetables touch the meat the meal is ruined.

One year for Christmas we got her some cafeteria trays (with the different compartments on them), she thought it was the best present ever.

d-usa wrote:She hates having any of her food touch

Oh heavens no. I'm not tha bad about things.

My youngest nephew is though.

Frazzled wrote:
Popcorn has very few calories.

The weird, butter-like substance you put on it does not.


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d-usa wrote:If the vegetables touch the meat the meal is ruined.

I wasn't quite that bad, but as a kid I would only eat raw veggies, and even to this day won't eat but a select few cooked.

Jelepeno's work better in icecream then bacon.
But in all honesty, i like this idea. The governments if finaly cracking down for health. Now if only they will ban pesticides.

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Huffy wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Holy fething hell really? REALLY?!?! We need the state governments to tell us what to eat and drink now? Im about to go postal and go off the damn grid. Everyone these days seems to be a bunch of friggin pussies

People complain because they have no self-control that the government needs to do things about it....so I choose to blame the fattie...I mean big-boned who complain that they can't control their intake

I blame people who want to tell me what to do and not let me live my life, like they know more than me. I usually find they are educated to the level of the ancient extinct sloths, yet want to tell me what to do.

Don't mess with extinct sloths bro



Size of an elephant on four legs, double that height on two legs with skin that was effectively bulletproof.

Corpsesarefun wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Huffy wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Holy fething hell really? REALLY?!?! We need the state governments to tell us what to eat and drink now? Im about to go postal and go off the damn grid. Everyone these days seems to be a bunch of friggin pussies

People complain because they have no self-control that the government needs to do things about it....so I choose to blame the fattie...I mean big-boned who complain that they can't control their intake

I blame people who want to tell me what to do and not let me live my life, like they know more than me. I usually find they are educated to the level of the ancient extinct sloths, yet want to tell me what to do.

Don't mess with extinct sloths bro



Size of an elephant on four legs, double that height on two legs with skin that was effectively bulletproof.

Is that...like a real thing?

It was until we murdered the hell out of it, it's one of my favourite skeletons in the Natural History Museum of London.

Corpsesarefun wrote:
Size of an elephant on four legs, double that height on two legs with skin that was effectively bulletproof.

And yet most think we killed it off.

Man, the most dangerous game.