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Well, it definitely won't be cheaper than plastic rhino. Which is rather obvious as I don't recall that any fw piece or other resin companies is cheaper than its plastic counterpart.

Like all resing products it's more targeted at the gamers that wan't to have something different than mainstream models.

Of course we will do what we can to make price as nice as possible

ruyn wrote:

Zly wrote:Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

I feel that it would need to be below $35 US just to be competitive. It all depends on the level of detail, of course, and what comes with it (like cupolas, small arms, antennas, and various optional wingdings for customization), but I'm not sure that I'd be willing to pay over $25 US. If you could get it to $22 or less and still be able to make a profit, you'd probably sell a ton of these! I know for $20 a piece that I'd be in for at least 5.

That's completely unrealistic. These guys don't have a factory that can just turn these things out willy nilly. I imagine about $40 would be a reasonable expectation.

SickSix wrote:

ruyn wrote:

Zly wrote:Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

I feel that it would need to be below $35 US just to be competitive. It all depends on the level of detail, of course, and what comes with it (like cupolas, small arms, antennas, and various optional wingdings for customization), but I'm not sure that I'd be willing to pay over $25 US. If you could get it to $22 or less and still be able to make a profit, you'd probably sell a ton of these! I know for $20 a piece that I'd be in for at least 5.

That's completely unrealistic. These guys don't have a factory that can just turn these things out willy nilly. I imagine about $40 would be a reasonable expectation.

Agreed, I'd say $40-50 is a generous estimate

Still, it looks really cool

As you already know we are focusing our efforts on "modular APC project", but we are not forgetting about other smaller projects - you will hear about them soon
but for now - 2 more concept pictures of Cosmic Commandos Transporter optional designs

I'm liking the modularity of the project, but those wheels just look too tiny on it. It feels like a golf cart. Needs something bigger to give it an all terrain feel.

Yeah, the wheels really don't work. They need to be big and chunky, like the Aliens APC.

That, or remove them completely... If you want to stay away from tracks, maybe an anti-grav version would work better.

Cannot wait for this to get finished. The mechanicum is grateful for your assistance.

The wheels look sensible for a lightly armoured vehicle, but yes, a bit inadequate for heavy armour. Perhaps Bitspudio could make everyone happy by offering a choice of wheels, i.e chunkier wider wheels (or double wheels) for those who want a 'heavier' looking vehicle? Possibly a minor redesign of the wheel arches, to make them as large as possible (although they're already close), would help with that.

But I agree with insaniak that an antigrav option (add-on bits fitting over the wheelbases) would also be a great idea.

ruyn wrote:

Zly wrote:Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

I feel that it would need to be below $35 US just to be competitive. It all depends on the level of detail, of course, and what comes with it (like cupolas, small arms, antennas, and various optional wingdings for customization), but I'm not sure that I'd be willing to pay over $25 US. If you could get it to $22 or less and still be able to make a profit, you'd probably sell a ton of these! I know for $20 a piece that I'd be in for at least 5.

The thing about casting these in resin though is, that resin is fairly expensive. Once you add all your overhead, you will make no profit at $20. I think $30-$35 plus shipping would be a fair price.

Clang wrote:The wheels look sensible for a lightly armoured vehicle, but yes, a bit inadequate for heavy armour. Perhaps Bitspudio could make everyone happy by offering a choice of wheels, i.e chunkier wider wheels (or double wheels) for those who want a 'heavier' looking vehicle? Possibly a minor redesign of the wheel arches, to make them as large as possible (although they're already close), would help with that.

But I agree with insaniak that an antigrav option (add-on bits fitting over the wheelbases) would also be a great idea.

It was meant to be surprise but after releasing wheeled chassis we will probably work on two more variants: antigrav ( need a good inspiration for this ) and halftrack and then I think every one will be happy

Halftrack would be awesome!

Zly wrote:

Earthbeard wrote:Coming along very nicely, depending on price point, may have to pick up a couple.

Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

Well, in order to be competitive, price-wise it would want to be cheaper or at worst no more than, say, a readily-available plastic kit that fulfills the same function. It's the difference between potentially selling a person 1-2 or 6-8.

scipio.au wrote:

Zly wrote:

Earthbeard wrote:Coming along very nicely, depending on price point, may have to pick up a couple.

Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

Well, in order to be competitive, price-wise it would want to be cheaper or at worst no more than, say, a readily-available plastic kit that fulfills the same function. It's the difference between potentially selling a person 1-2 or 6-8.

If stuff is cooler, then it can me bore expensive.

kenshin620 wrote:

SickSix wrote:

ruyn wrote:

Zly wrote:Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

I feel that it would need to be below $35 US just to be competitive. It all depends on the level of detail, of course, and what comes with it (like cupolas, small arms, antennas, and various optional wingdings for customization), but I'm not sure that I'd be willing to pay over $25 US. If you could get it to $22 or less and still be able to make a profit, you'd probably sell a ton of these! I know for $20 a piece that I'd be in for at least 5.

That's completely unrealistic. These guys don't have a factory that can just turn these things out willy nilly. I imagine about $40 would be a reasonable expectation.

Agreed, I'd say $40-50 is a generous estimate

Still, it looks really cool

I didn't know I was being asked to do all of their accounting and set up a catalog price for them. The question was "what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?" and, for me, I gave a price that is acceptable. Again, for me, it's the only price point that would make this a justifiable purchase. Secret Weapon's 6x6 is $40 and comes with a pile of weapons. My understanding is that on this project the weapons are separate? If so, nothing above $35 US is acceptable or justifiable for me to make a purchase. He asked for our opinions, and that is mine. We'll see how this project develops, and I may reassess once it's further along.

On another subject, the new turrets do look nice.



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d-usa wrote:

scipio.au wrote:

Zly wrote:

Earthbeard wrote:Coming along very nicely, depending on price point, may have to pick up a couple.

Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

Well, in order to be competitive, price-wise it would want to be cheaper or at worst no more than, say, a readily-available plastic kit that fulfills the same function. It's the difference between potentially selling a person 1-2 or 6-8.

If stuff is cooler, then it can me bore expensive.

Sometimes I agree with that, sometimes I don't. It depends on how much more expensive versus how much "cooler." In the end, the "cool" factor is totally subjective, whereas the money in my wallet is not. As scipio.au said, price ultimately determines whether or not a person buys 1-2 or 6-8. I have a tank design setting in prototype now because, even though it's a customizable superheavy and looks as cool as can be, unless I can get the price below $100 US per model, very few will ever be sold. Unfortunately, in today's economically damaged market, coolness and the customization factor do not play as heavily on people's minds as the price. Therefore, $40-50 US would be a totally unreasonable asking price for this model, and if I were the CEO and someone came to me with the project for that price, I would scrap it solely on logistics. For me, as a business man, it would have to be a market competitive price for me to even conceive of going into production.

ruyn wrote:

d-usa wrote:

scipio.au wrote:

Zly wrote:

Earthbeard wrote:Coming along very nicely, depending on price point, may have to pick up a couple.

Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

Well, in order to be competitive, price-wise it would want to be cheaper or at worst no more than, say, a readily-available plastic kit that fulfills the same function. It's the difference between potentially selling a person 1-2 or 6-8.

If stuff is cooler, then it can me bore expensive.

Sometimes I agree with that, sometimes I don't. It depends on how much more expensive versus how much "cooler." In the end, the "cool" factor is totally subjective, whereas the money in my wallet is not. As scipio.au said, price ultimately determines whether or not a person buys 1-2 or 6-8. I have a tank design setting in prototype now because, even though it's a customizable superheavy and looks as cool as can be, unless I can get the price below $100 US per model, very few will ever be sold. Unfortunately, in today's economically damaged market, coolness and the customization factor do not play as heavily on people's minds as the price. Therefore, $40-50 US would be a totally unreasonable asking price for this model, and if I were the CEO and someone came to me with the project for that price, I would scrap it solely on logistics. For me, as a business man, it would have to be a market competitive price for me to even conceive of going into production.

Very true, "coolness" is very subjective. For me I realize that there is nothing about this hobby that truly counts as anything else but "stuff I spend disposable income on". So I am liable to spend more on something if I think it is cool. Forgeworld is a good example of that I think. Their stuff is priced pretty high, but they still move it because of people who think "Titan? That is awesome!". But I realize that those people can be in the gaming minority.

Zly wrote:

Clang wrote:The wheels look sensible for a lightly armoured vehicle, but yes, a bit inadequate for heavy armour. Perhaps Bitspudio could make everyone happy by offering a choice of wheels, i.e chunkier wider wheels (or double wheels) for those who want a 'heavier' looking vehicle? Possibly a minor redesign of the wheel arches, to make them as large as possible (although they're already close), would help with that.

But I agree with insaniak that an antigrav option (add-on bits fitting over the wheelbases) would also be a great idea.

It was meant to be surprise but after releasing wheeled chassis we will probably work on two more variants: antigrav ( need a good inspiration for this ) and halftrack and then I think every one will be happy

+1 for multiple wheel/half-track/antigrav options!

ruyn wrote: Unfortunately, in today's economically damaged market, coolness and the customization factor do not play as heavily on people's minds as the price.

That may be true for some... It may even be true for the majority. But the continued existence of Forgeworld shows it's definitely not true for everybody.

Companies trying to edge into the market have two main options: Aim for cheap, or aim for something cool that people won't mind paying a little extra for.
The first option is what gets you WGF and Mantic level quality. The second gets you Maxmini and MicroArt.

Of course, thanks to the wonky pricing of a certain company we all know and love, sometimes it's possible for quality minis to wind up cheaper... but from these smaller boutique companies it certainly shouldn't be expected. When you are trying to produce an alternative to a mass-produced plastic kit, and are doing so with a smaller production run, and a more expensive material, it should become apparent fairly quickly that getting it out on the market at a lower price point is going to be difficult. So aiming for something cooler than the original that can get away with being priced higher is the next best thing. (Or the best thing to begin with, depending on your market strategy, of course).


Having said that, this particular vehicle isn't doing it for me so far. I think it's trying to stay too close to the source material, and so the changes just look odd so far. But it is still just a WIP, so I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt... and definitely think that the half-track or anti-grav versions should be interesting.

Yes, it is still a WIP and we must keep that in mind. And the Bitspudlo team is pretty good at taking customer feedback.

Honestly, I am now more excited about the turrets! I think the version with the sighting box on the side is just super nice. My only critique is that now looking at it again, it may be a bit on the small side.

Rhino with wheels looks a little goofy. Just awkward on a vehicle that already is pretty odd- an APC/AFV out of scale with its infantry and no room for engines.

Turrets are all good though (even if they do underscore how shortbus the chassis is).

jmurph wrote:Rhino with wheels looks a little goofy. Just awkward on a vehicle that already is pretty odd- an APC/AFV out of scale with its infantry and no room for engines.

Turrets are all good though (even if they do underscore how shortbus the chassis is).

I agree. ditch thr rhino chassis. i would 40kify the aliens apc. even the original plastic halcyon kit doesnt work because it is 10 inches long or something plus super expensive.

Maybe just turrets and sponsons? I think it may be very hard to get the APC to look right given the very small area given to wheel space. Most modern wheeled APCs have fairly large wheels.

The preview style makes it look like a Playmobil child toy. Maybe you should make later preview pics when some details can be seen.

Kroothawk wrote:The preview style makes it look like a Playmobil child toy. Maybe you should make later preview pics when some details can be seen.

I disagree, my friend! I think it's clear they are still adding detail as they go along and I find it fascinating to see the entire progress from beginning to end.

Speaking of the wheels, in addition to making them larger and skinnier (making them more Aliens APC-like) I also would like the idea of making the hubcaps very large and very flat. In for a penny, in for a pound, right?

Yes, yes, yes to the Aliens APC Wheels!

4 giant wheels instead of the current 6 would certainly make Aliens fans happy and give a less rhinoish look. But it would also hurt the idea of other wheel and half-track etc options, unless the whole vehicle side was replaced.

d-usa wrote:
Very true, "coolness" is very subjective. For me I realize that there is nothing about this hobby that truly counts as anything else but "stuff I spend disposable income on". So I am liable to spend more on something if I think it is cool. Forgeworld is a good example of that I think. Their stuff is priced pretty high, but they still move it because of people who think "Titan? That is awesome!". But I realize that those people can be in the gaming minority.

The other thing of course is at $35, it's competing with the Rhino kit. At $45 you're not competing with the Rhino, but the MKIC DEIMOS PATTERN RHINO from Forge World, or Rhino kit with various FW parts bolted on...

For some people (not me), being able to play in a GW store or tourney also plays into it, and obviously moreso if they're more expensive.


Also chiming in positively on the Aliens APC look. I originally thought this was a resin conversion kit for the existing rhino..

Ouze wrote:
I disagree, my friend! I think it's clear they are still adding detail as they go along and I find it fascinating to see the entire progress from beginning to end.

+1

that was our purpose we like to hear feedback from You to make our models as cool as you like

Ouze wrote:
Speaking of the wheels, in addition to making them larger and skinnier (making them more Aliens APC-like) I also would like the idea of making the hubcaps very large and very flat. In for a penny, in for a pound, right?

The pic of the wheels you add in your comment - that is your design? They look very nice


As you can see our APC is going to be a modular tank - with many options of configuration. Stay tuned for more in a few days

Looking good!

With the right sized wheels - that's will be a winner!

Could we get a rear view or any hatches/engines/etc that are there?