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Absolutionis wrote:Could we get a rear view or any hatches/engines/etc that are there?

Soon I will post pic of the rear of this awesome vehicle

I agree it needs the kind of wheels Ouze posted. It'll be awesome.

ruyn wrote:

Zly wrote:Besides 'lowest possible' what would be the price you think is acceptable for resin kit of this kind?

It will be done in a way so you can easily use it as transporter or attach sponsons ( which will follow soon after its releasing )

I feel that it would need to be below $35 US just to be competitive. It all depends on the level of detail, of course, and what comes with it (like cupolas, small arms, antennas, and various optional wingdings for customization), but I'm not sure that I'd be willing to pay over $25 US. If you could get it to $22 or less and still be able to make a profit, you'd probably sell a ton of these! I know for $20 a piece that I'd be in for at least 5.

I was going to say $20 was a bit unrealistic but Old Crow Models makes a nice small wheeled APC with a turret for 9.75 GBP, which puts it in the $20 US range.

The Old Crow vehicles are quite small, are fairly low on detail, and look like the 20 year old kits that they are. They're still reasonably priced for what they are, but not really a fair comparison.

Some interior of our APC (it's not finished yet )


Rear hatch:


as you can see - it's getting more detailed every day

Very nice, it is definitely taking on some nice detail.

Excellent. I like that, while the basic shape is similar to the rhino, stylistically it appears to be turning out very different.

Looking much better. Any idea when we'll see some pictures of it in half track mode?

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Looking much better. Any idea when we'll see some pictures of it in half track mode?

We first want to finish this one, and release it before we move on. It's quite pricy project and we want to start selling as soon as possible. If you like it you can by it and after we come up with halftrack and anti grav options we will be selling them separately for people that wants interchangable options

insaniak wrote:The Old Crow vehicles are quite small, are fairly low on detail, and look like the 20 year old kits that they are. They're still reasonably priced for what they are, but not really a fair comparison.

God point...goes to show that the $20 range is probably unrealistic...probably closer to $30 going by the pics.

Yeah, that rear hatch is exactly what myself and most other people hoped it would be. Excellent!
Love it!

Mad4Minis wrote:

insaniak wrote:The Old Crow vehicles are quite small, are fairly low on detail, and look like the 20 year old kits that they are. They're still reasonably priced for what they are, but not really a fair comparison.

God point...goes to show that the $20 range is probably unrealistic...probably closer to $30 going by the pics.

Which is why I said below $35 initially. I realize $20 is never going to happen, and never even said it should, but I did say that it was the price range needed for ME to consider buying one or more. That's simply because I have no real use for them, but for $25 or less I could find a use.

Yeha, if they're about the same price as a GW Rhino (from the US), then I'll pick some up. If they're the same price as a Forgeworld Predator, I'll buy more Forgeworld Predators.

scipio.au wrote:Yeha, if they're about the same price as a GW Rhino (from the US), then I'll pick some up. If they're the same price as a Forgeworld Predator, I'll buy more Forgeworld Predators.

This.

scipio.au wrote:If they're the same price as a Forgeworld Predator, I'll buy more Forgeworld Predators.

You don't think it would at least be worth waiting to see if the end product looks better than the Forgeworld Predator before making that sort of call?

Well this may be late, but hey, better than never!

I did a video review of the Bitspudlo dozer blade and gatling cannon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK8Ab_sKA5A&feature=youtu.be

insaniak wrote:

scipio.au wrote:If they're the same price as a Forgeworld Predator, I'll buy more Forgeworld Predators.

You don't think it would at least be worth waiting to see if the end product looks better than the Forgeworld Predator before making that sort of call?

You're clearly missing a bit of comprehension there, as my statement relies on final pricing which surely will follow the end product being finalised. Besides that, if you want to buy not-rhino kits for the same price as FW Preds then that's your choice. For not-GW models to be worthwhile to me, they need to be competitively priced.

scipio.au wrote:You're clearly missing a bit of comprehension there, as my statement relies on final pricing which surely will follow the end product being finalised.

No, I got that. Your statement was that if it was the same price as the FW pred, that you would buy the Forgeworld pred. Hence my response that if they're the same price, surely it would be better to buy whichever one turns out to be better...

Besides that, if you want to buy not-rhino kits for the same price as FW Preds then that's your choice. For not-GW models to be worthwhile to me, they need to be competitively priced.

So who makes it is more important that how good the kit is?

insaniak wrote:

scipio.au wrote:You're clearly missing a bit of comprehension there, as my statement relies on final pricing which surely will follow the end product being finalised.

No, I got that. Your statement was that if it was the same price as the FW pred, that you would buy the Forgeworld pred. Hence my response that if they're the same price, surely it would be better to buy whichever one turns out to be better...

Besides that, if you want to buy not-rhino kits for the same price as FW Preds then that's your choice. For not-GW models to be worthwhile to me, they need to be competitively priced.

So who makes it is more important that how good the kit is?

GW rhinos are alredy expensive, and reach the far edge of my monetary capability. If you make "rhino aternatives" that cost more than a GW Rhino, i will not buy, instead i will buy GW Rhino (not FW).

Whyle i like the ideia of wheled rhinos, i dont want to pay 2 Rhinos in one. I probably can try and convert 2 wheled rhinos for the same price...

Perhaps, i do know that there are people who are not so inclined to convert their wheled rhinos, and so, will gladly pay that 2 rhinos price for their wheled rhinos. I will never say they are wrong for that.


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Oh, and yeah, that model is looking gorgeous...

I'm not sure what that had to do with the post that you quoted...?

I suppose the price isn't a consideration for people that absolutely must have a not-rhino/razorback/whirlwind/predator that has wheels or is a half-track. Personally, I think that a niche market but to each their own. I bought two autocannon rigs from Bitspudlo for a couple of rifleman dreads and love them but then they were competitively priced to what I could find from GW or bits suppliers.

I believe the bone of contention here is that the company makes models compatible with one game system in mind and if they produce a product that is of similar usage and price to something already produced by GW, people will just buy GW.

insaniak wrote:I'm not sure what that had to do with the post that you quoted...?

To answer the above of your two posts (I don't understand the second post). I'll explain again with some rationale:

Predators cost a fair bit more than Rhinos. (money)
FW Product is generally very nice indeed.

If the BSP Rhino costs as much as a GW Rhino, then it's something I can consider buying.

If the BSP Rhino costs as much as a FW Predator, I am very unlikely to purchase an APC model that costs as much as the significantly more expensive tank model.

Considering that this hobby doesn't consist of anything else other than grown adults throwing disposable income at plastic/resin/metal models that they think are cool I really don't have a problem paying more for a model than the comparable GW-counterpart as long as I think the model is nice enough to warrant it.

I have no issue with anyone else spending as much as they like on any given model. The question was asked by BSP above about how much people would be happy to pay. I answered. Some people didn't like my answer, so instead of giving them directions on where they might go, I gave a personal rationale that applies to me (and apparently, some others as well).

Oh, and for Insaniak:

So who makes it is more important that how good the kit is?

To a degree, yes. But more importantly is what the kit is and how much value I am personally able to attach to that kind of model. While Scibor for example make some lovely models, I can't justify and simply will not purchase a Not-Space Marine for $50. (I won't purchase an actual one for that either, but that's not really our point.) Workshop's prices are already at that upper limit (and over it in some cases as well).


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insaniak wrote:
No, I got that. Your statement was that if it was the same price as the FW pred, that you would buy the Forgeworld pred. Hence my response that if they're the same price, surely it would be better to buy whichever one turns out to be better...

Maybe you missed this bit? But I'm comparing a Predator kit's price to a Rhino kit's price. I'm stating I won't buy a "not-Rhino" for the price of a FW Predator kit, which is not insignificantly more than the Rhino.

scipio.au wrote:I have no issue with anyone else spending as much as they like on any given model. The question was asked by BSP above about how much people would be happy to pay. I answered. Some people didn't like my answer, so instead of giving them directions on where they might go, I gave a personal rationale that applies to me (and apparently, some others as well).

I understand, and truly not trying to argue with you. In the end it is our cash and we have to justify to ourselves (or our significant others) how we are spending it.

Oh, and for Insaniak:

So who makes it is more important that how good the kit is?

To a degree, yes. But more importantly is what the kit is and how much value I am personally able to attach to that kind of model. While Scibor for example make some lovely models, I can't justify and simply will not purchase a Not-Space Marine for $50. (I won't purchase an actual one for that either, but that's not really our point.) Workshop's prices are already at that upper limit (and over it in some cases as well).

Scibor might be an interesting case for me as an example of what I am willing to spend money on. I might buy a single non-marine as a special character or for the sole purpose of having a model that I want to paint up and never play with. I wouldn't play a whole army of non-marines because even for my standards that would be too expensive.

We all have our price limits, that is understandable. And I think we all agree that for every step the price for a non-GW product goes past a GW product there is a real risk of loosing potential customers. Value is a weird concept, and it does vary for every customer.

It seems that for you, a big portion of the value comes from something like this: "In game it's a rhino, that is the function of the model. If I want a rhino then I need a model that represents a rhino on the tabletop. A GW model represents the rhino for $gw. I don't want to spend >$gw to get a model that fulfills the same function." So it sounds that for a player like you the function is more important than the astethics of a model. So function is where you place the value for that model and looks or cool-factors don't justify paying extra. And that is understandable and there is nothing wrong with that. Sorry if any of my posts made you feel like I was putting you down.

For me a big part of the value from the hobby comes from modeling and expressing myself. So the rhino would not just be "it's a rhino", but also "this is a transport that was made by my techpriest who experimented with arcane technology and blah blah blah" so picking up 3rd party bits as a way to customize my army is where the value comes from. Looking cool or being different is what justifies the >$gw price for me because that is what I value, not just the function of "being a rhino" on the game board.

People are different and that is cool. I have the same opinion as you do when it comes to pants. I know people will pay $$$ for Jeans, but for me the only job of jeans is to cover up my butt. So why spend $150 bucks on jeans when $30 jeans do the job just fine.

scipio.au wrote:Maybe you missed this bit? But I'm comparing a Predator kit's price to a Rhino kit's price. I'm stating I won't buy a "not-Rhino" for the price of a FW Predator kit, which is not insignificantly more than the Rhino.

Yes, and no... Given that this kit is also getting turrets, I had assumed you were comparing the not-predator version of this kit to the Forgeworld one.

I have an announcement to make!

Starting with today Torquemada Missile Launcher is now available in our store!
Right here --> http://bitspudlo.com/products/torquemada-launcher





We hope You like it!

That could very well end up on my not-Stormeagle!

O.K., like the model. So.... draw me the connection between Torquemada and a missile launcher....

Gitsplitta wrote:O.K., like the model. So.... draw me the connection between Torquemada and a missile launcher....

Easy: as you never expect Spanish Inquisition, you won't expect barrage from this launcher